I'm just done watching Fedor vs Henderson...And wow....

You talkin to me...:fire

 

:rofl
Stay tuned, this is thread worthy

 

Well stoo I would say that if we take into Fedors clear decline (Arlovski fight and Rogers fight) then his three consecutive losses by stoppage( Werdum, Silva, and Hendo) I think they dont do too much damage to his legacy because of the severe (and obvious) nature of his decline.

We can say of Fedor, unlike many other greats, when his skills eroded wasnt able to adapt and find a way to win, this is true.

But Fedor has beaten the #2 (Big Nog) and #3 (Cro-cop) greatest MMA heavyweights clearly, his legacy is secured, because he simply wasnt the same fighter he was when he beat them. He was far past his prime, so his defeats dont hold much weight.

You must take in the whole fighters career.:deal

 

I'll address this issue in my next thread

 

all right!

Try not to come off as a hater.

 

I love Fedor :thumbsup

 

HRT does wonders for many fighters. Just ask Randy Couture. Age is meaningless in ANTY combat sport. It's the kind of argument used by children. He's older therefore he must be able to beat whoever is younger. Riiiiight.....

 

Fedor was once talked of as the most evolved fighter in MMA. Nothing in the last 6 years in the heavyweight division has changed. And yet Fedor is now apparently no longer evolving.

The reality is this. Fedor got older. And seems alot more careless than he used to be. He was NOT beaten by ANY fighter who represents the evolution of this sport. Dan Henderson is about as evolved as a plank of wood. His used the same trick in varying formats since he turned pro at the Brazil Open.
Likewise Werdum is the LEAST evolved fighter at heavy. His stand up is virtually non-existent. As for Silva the case is the same. 300lb fighter with canned hams for fists and solid JJ.
This evolved argument is a poor one. And a very tired one at that.

 

They may not have evolved their fighting style but they certainly improved the level of training they received.

 

Academic. None of them represent the evolution of MMA.

 

Oki...let me put it in another way. Maybe evoled wasn't the right word to choose, but I thought and I think pretty much everyone here understood the idea behind it.

I agree with you that Hendo is still the same guy and I totally agree with you that Werdum is pretty much a BJJ expert and that is pretty much it.

Even though Fedor is training with Hoost his stand up doesn't seem to improve. The fight against CC was a really good display of striking I think and now his punch lack precision, he is throwing wild punch, in other word from what we have seen in the past 2 years the striking of Fedor seems to have devolved. It is possible that aging is one reason why his stand up doesn't seems to work anymore, but I really doubt it's only because of his age.

I'd love to try to analyze the ground game of Fedor for the past 2 years but we havn't seen much of it, except for the Rogers fight were he seemed to be able to do something against a total n00b, againt Werdum he got subbed in less then 2 min, against AS he got owned(weight issue maybe?) and against Hendo...I just don't know what to say.

So for me, when I say Fedor hasn't evolve in the past 6 years, what I mean is that he doesn't seems to aknowledge the fact that he is aging. He keeps the same old training formula and now it just doesn't seem to be enough to win anymore.


On a more personal note, when I hear a fighter repeating that if God want him to continu fighting he will fight, I think it's time to hang up the glove. Fedor doesn't want to fight anymore IMO( And I think this is the main problem, if he had any hunger left for fight, things would be different), he just want to do what god is telling him. And since I don't think anybody can hear what God is saying, I really wonder who advice he is following.

 

Wow, I've spent the last half hour trying to write something that could be understandable....and you have done it in just 1 sentences... !

 

Herb maybe could have let Fedor take a couple more punches but if he didn't stop it Hendo would have kept landing sledgehammers to the side of Fedors head, he wasn't recovering.

 

I am not completely disagreeing with you. I often say Fedor has failed to evolve, but I don't mean it the way you are criticizing.

I believe that a lot of Fedor's greatness was based on his athleticism. For example, Royce Gracie could never emulate Fedor's style and be successful. I think that Fedor slipped enough athletically that he now needs more skills in order to beat the best in the sport.

I feel similarly about Roy Jones Jr, the boxer of course. I think Jones could have stayed at the top a bit longer had he further developed his game, but he kept trying to fight as though he were at his physical peak.

I honestly think Fedor realized this after the Silva loss, and is making an effort to adapt his style to fit his age. Whether he'll be successful, I don't know. Maybe he has the time and will, maybe he doesn't.

 

Personally i don't think it even needs that much analysis. Fedor appears disinterested, crude and amateurish. He was able to hide his mistakes and get way with that once as he was light years ahead of everyone else. But now that father time is catching up, the competition getting better, and his interest is waning he's getting sloppier and sloppier. He is after all Fedor. Anyone who fights him will always bring their A game. Turns out Fedor never brought his.