As time goes on I rate Floyd's win over JMM higher.........

Same level of skill. Oh please. Floyd is much more skilled and I'm not even a Floyd fanatic.

 

Let me add to your assesment that while Marquez had no physical advantages over Mayweather.

A past prime DLH only had a weight and height advantage......Mayweather was by far quicker and faster than DLH, plus the reach was about the same.

I saw a close fight between Mayweather and DLH, and off of that, I'm absolutely certain that if DLH had a quickness and speed advantage, he'd have dominated Mayweather.

Listen.......Marquez taking on Mayweather at 147lbs is the equivalent of the current Mayweather taking on a prime Roy Jones Jr. at 160 lbs.
......its Mayweather moving up 2 weight divisions to 160 lbs and taking on a quicker, faster, stronger fighter who has a height advantage over him.

....the current Mayweather going up 2 weight divisions to fight a prime Roy Jones Jr. at 160 lbs is the equivalent of what Marquez did to fight Mayweather at 147 lbs.

I'm going to set up a poll and see how the forum see's the current Mayweather doing against a prime Roy Jones Jr. at 160 lbs.

 

Lot of Insecure Pac fans still trying to tear down Mayweathers easy domination of Marquez.You call out a Welter weight then dammit dont cry when you have to fight him at 147. Boxing is getting so pussified now ,boo hoo 4 pounds is what won him the fight....yet Margarito outweighed Pac by almost 20 and got his ass dominated and his face broken. God please bring back the old school.

 

It works perfectly. The size difference between said matchups would be nearly equivalent.
Had it not been for Marquez seeking another Pacquiao fight, he'd still be camaigning as the 130 lbs champion.

When Marquez moved up from 126 lbs, he did'nt do it because he was struggling to make the weight, he did it to chase Pacquiao.
In fact, Marquez in a few instances when he was at 126 lbs had offered to go down to 122 lbs if it got him a Barrera fight.
Marquez was a career featherweight who could make 122 lbs if he wished.
......this is'nt the case with Mayweather as he's outgrown his divsions and clearly has gotten bigger through the years.
Mayweather has a much larger frame than Marquez, no question.

Go check out that poll I started, current Mayweather vs Prime RJJ???lol:

 

i still rate this as a good win for floyd but the circumstance that floyd didn't even bother to make the agreed catchweight has soured it for me.

also i disagree with your point that this is p4p where floyd and jmm are of the same size, jmm's punches would have made floyd notice and respect him more. it's easy for someone to say that floyd was not even hit that much but if floyd knew that he is outsizing someone and could not be hurt, he would be more confident and would be taking those shots smiling without being bothered.

i agree with your point that floyd being the bigger man fighting this way, is easily more arguable that floyd can be credited than him bullying jmm physically but that doesn't mean that his size never played any factor in the fight.

 

Just stop you are making to much sense.

 

You started this thread out by pointing that after rewatching Mayweather vs Marquez, you saw Mayweather outclassing Marquez.
.....I just shot down that assertion to smitherines with a Bazooka.


......let me add that I by no means am arguing that Marquez beats Mayweather even at 130 lbs.
.....but I am arguing that the Marquez that beat Pacquiao at 130 lbs, at the very least gives Mayweather all he can handle at 130 lbs.

Yes Mayweather still holds most of the physical advantages at 130 lbs, but what he does'nt hold is the actual weight and strenghth advantage.

Mayweather had no respect for Marquez mass and strenghth at 147 lbs, and issue that would not hold true at 130 lbs.
Let me add also that while Mayweather has always been defensive, he's gotten more defensive with each weight jump.
At 130 lbs Mayweather had more to offer offensively, which in turn would open up more avenues and possibilites for Marquez as he likes to fight against a more offensively adaptable fighter.

Who wins at 130 lbs is'nt the issue for me, the issue to me is that Marquez was'nt outclassed by Mayweather's skill at 147 lbs, and he certainly would'nt be at 130 lbs.

 

lol. great how a big gap in weight has virtually been made a none factor. i just hope the standards remain consistent for all boxers other than floyd.

 

Just checked in on this thread from yesterday to see if anyone had answered this point. Predictably, no-one has. The premise of this thread is nonsensical. :deal

 

Would you agree that Marquez may have maxed out at lightweight?
If he moves up to 140 lbs and has some sucess there, certainly he's going to be a small juniorwelter who only fights 2 and 3 lbs above the weight when he enters the ring.

I think it safe to say that Marquez can go the next 2 or even 3 years still making 135 lbs comfortably.

Mayweather may be in the same boat but at Welter.
In fact I'd say most would agree that Marquez makes the lightweight limit more comfortably than Mayweather makes Welter.


.....because of this issue, my parrallel holds water.

Marquez and Mayweather both older fighters fighting at maxed weight classes, moving up two weight divisions to take on a bigger, stronger, quicker, faster fighter.

If you think the Jones parralel is to extreme because of the career startoff weight issue, how about the current Mayweather against a prime Middleweight Tommy Hearns, the one that fought Duran or Hagler??????

p4p, I'd say Mayweather holds up and is competitive if not beats Hearns. But the current Mayweather two weight divsions up against a prime Tommy Hearns???

This would be another case of skills not paying the bills, Hearns would hold every physical advantage over Mayweather at 160 lbs.

Is this a fairer parralel. Hearns started his career at Welter, not at Middleweight.

 

I wish someone with greater patience and teaching skills than me could explain to the confused people on this thread that as long as someone punches someone else and takes punches from them, they have obviously "used" their size in the fight. The fact that a member of a boxing forum can not understand this point is truly staggering!

 

He would have had those regardless what's your point? No matter the weight Floyd would have still had the advantage because he's more gifted than JMM, period.