As time goes on I rate Floyd's win over JMM higher.........

A size advantage isn't strictly relegated to "bullying" opponents around the ring. Boxers uses advantages in height and reach to dominate opponents as well. Maintaining proper spacing due to these advantages is more effective than throwing your weight around, especially when you are a counter puncher like Mayweather. Not having these advantages are dangerous, especially when you're a counter puncher like Marquez. Mayweather may not have pushed Marquez around, but him being naturally larger played a definite part in how one sided the fight was.

 

Of course it does.
When Marquez attacked Mayweather with foward aggression, Mayweather would neutralize Marquez' advances by using the shoulder roll and then using his physical strenghth to bump and and throw Marquez off with his mass strenghth.
When you have a physical strenghth disadvantage, there is'nt much you can do even when you get in range to punch.

In many instances Mayweather would thwart Marqeuz' advance by simply standing his ground but using his longer legs to stretch and contort his upperbody and head away from a Marquez shot that could'nt reach him.

.....Mayweather's longer reach and height playing a role in being able to avoid a Marquez punch attempt, and in many of these similar attempt, Mayweather would stick his hands and arms out to parry a Marquez shot.
A physically stronger fighter is going to parry shots much easier.

For anyone here thats even sparred, when you spar a much stronger fighter, you can feel his strenghth even when he's not punching at you. In simply that stronger fighter parrying your shots and throwing them off target, you feel the physical strenghth mismatch.
I'm certain Marquez was feeling that vs Mayweather.

All these defensive manuevers Mayweather pulls off in the pocket and at range, physical strenghth plays a big part of it......anyone thats even sparred would know this.

 

and who's to say the extra weight did not have an effect on each punch jmm received.

 

And who's to say the extra weight Floyd carried didn't help him to absorb Marquez's shots. And who's to say the extra weight Marquez carried didn't make him slower and less explosive. And who's to say the extra weight Floyd carried didn't widen the gap between the two in terms of strength on the inside. And who's to say the extra weight Marquez carried meant he couldn't move around the ring as quickly as he wanted to/normally could....

There are too many "who's to say" factors because of the weight issue. That's why this is not a good win at all. If they had fought each other at 130lbs, none of these factors would hold any water, as both Mayweather and Marquez performed brilliantly at 130 in their careers. However, that simply didn't happen.

 

As time goes on I rate Floyd's win over JMM less and less................

It really was a bull**** win. Isn't even in Floyd's top 10 IMO.

 

right. and yet some here who rate the fight legit say the weight did not have any effect on the fight, only skills.

 

To those cretins, I return to the same point: so if Mayweather beat Ivan Calderon a couple of years ago, it would have been a great win? That point of view is nonsensical.

 

I dont know how you cant see it. You must not know enough about the sport.

In that case why doesnt Pac want to fight Martinez when he is the same size maybe even smaller than Margarito?? Because the skills+weight of a MArtinez are far greater than the skills+weight of a Margarito. Skills and weight played a role in the win PBF got over JMM. Throw a face first 147 pound brawler at JMM instead of the fastest heaviest fighter JMM has ever faced at 147 and you get a whole different fight.

 

And as we all know Castillo outweighed Floyd in fightnight ny about 10 lbs.

 

so when the opponent outweighs floyd it's an excuse and weight is a factor but when floyd outweighs his opponent by a lot only skill remains at play?

 

5%. Do you think so? Floyd gladly paid 600K which seems quite a bit if he could just take a dump and make weight.

I think Floyd dehydrated as much as he possibly could and then rehydrated to close to 160 in the ring.

 

I don't think he would have rehydrated to 160, I mean he got weighed by the WBC a couple of weeks ago for the Ortiz fight and he already weighed 149 so he would probaly have been 150-155 on fight night at most For the marquez fight I would think.

 

Who knows what he weighed? It was the first time Floyd didn't want to do a fight-night weigh-in and that in a fight where there was the biggest focus on weight. What I do know is that Floyd absolutely dwarfed the fat and slow JMM.