Spinks: "Normal Floyd does NOT beat Pac "

Negative. Sorry, but my breakdown of Pacquiao vs Hatton was Hatton losing by decapitation. So I don't know who you are referring to, but it certainly isn't me. I also picked Pacquiao to knock out Cotto as well. I told people Clottey would look like a walking heavy bag, and I basically said the same for Margarito. So if you're looking for somebody who has been picking against Manny, you should look somewhere else.

I think most educated boxing fans (that means do not point to an ESB Poll) had Hatton getting his ass kicked by Pacquiao. I never felt that fight would be competitive. I have no idea where you get the idea that Hatton was the favorite, he was not. Pacquiao was the betting favorite in the match.

I felt Hatton was on borrowed time after watching his fight with Juan Lazcano.

And again, no boxing strategy was mentioned by yet another die-hard Manny fan.

 

Mayweather/Gatti?

Mayweather/Hatton?

Come on, people. I have Floyd as the favourite too, and I think he outboxes Pac, but this is getting silly. Gatti didn't land a single significant punch on Floyd, and Hatton barely landed any flush, meaningful shots either. Pac will definitely do better than them, due to his speed, combinations and offensive abilities. He'll have trouble with the height/reach issues and Floyd's movement, and it's true that his lack of a jab is concerning, but Pac's straight left is the perfect weapon against Floyd's habit of leaning back in the shoulder-roll stance. If Floyd is caught by that, he could well take the first genuine knockdown of his career...it wouldn't be a big shock when you consider how fast and powerful Pac is. (Even when he looks unimpressive, like against Shane, he still had that thunderbolt moment when he seriously hurt him. He can change the whole flow of a fight with that single shot.)

As for Spinks' comment...it's true that Pac's workrate will give Floyd issues. Floyd's low activity rate is one of the few areas he can be criticised on in the ring, and while he makes it work for him (he doesn't waste anything, and keeps his stamina from draining too much) it could backfire against someone who simply keeps punching, even when most of the shots aren't flush. Sheer activity can steal rounds.

As I said before, I think Floyd beats Pac. He's not only bigger, but he's simply very skilled, slick and sound. A very balanced fighter who is difficult to beat. Pac definitely has a shot at toppling him, though, especially as Floyd is getting older. They're BOTH special fighters. This isn't Hatton/Floyd or Floyd/Gatti (RIP). Give Pac more respect.

 

:thumbsup Great writeup. Activity is the only thing that would concern me about Floyd in a fight with Pac. If Floyd doesn't discourage Pac by constantly catching him flush with counters, he's going to have to up his workrate, because just activity can win Pac closer rounds. Especially with all the hype around Pac, even glancing blows or flat out misses will get reactions from the crowd, and the crowd does influence some judges.

Floyd has what it takes to beat Pac, and beat him convincingly IMO.. But Pac has what it takes to take that '0' from Floyd, and I don't think it will be a cakewalk for Floyd. Should be a good fight with a clear winner, but close rounds.

 

yep

 

Cory, of all people, should know better.

 

nut:rofl:roflatschatsch

hahaha... Because I don't answer in manner that you want... it's DISCOUNTED... ergo "You don't know **** about boxing..." Typical "true Mayweather fan" response. Until they've fought all this speculation and opinion I don't give a damn if you agree with me or not. I'm not trying to convince you.

The funny thing about this is you guys make it seem so simple... hahaha... I believe Mayweather is shrewdly intelligent in the sense, he's his own man on who he WANTS to fight... **** THE FANS...:!:

There's a reason he took on Marquez as his first fight from his "vacation". There's a reason why he CHOSE Ortiz. There's a reason why when Pacquiao became a serious threat to 0 in the loss column he went on about PEDs with absolutely no PROOF. To date not even a whiff from the media or the governing bodies that Pacquiao is even associated with a BALCO type company or individual such as Conte. There's a reason Pacquiao was his first potential opponent to be asked to submit to his demands of OSDT and it wasn't for the sake of Boxing...:nono

On 58 occasions an opponent has decided to text their skill, power, defense and HEART against Pacquiao without any OSDT. They didn't have all the advantages the Pretty One had. Hell, the Pretty One said it would be an easy fight anyway and he wouldn't get any credit for it. hahaha :yep

I just wonder what all these fighters had that Mayweather lacks??? I mean he's a self proclaimed all time great that has the corner and skills to defeat any challenger. hmmm... I wonder... :hat

 

You still have not talked about any boxing strategy/tactics. It has nothing to do with the manner in which you present your opinion, it has to do with the absence of pertinent information pertaining to what happens in the ring.

I can't discount something that isn't there.

 

Your opinion isn't the problem. I just don't deal in speculation.

 

Normal floyd does not exist. ABNORMAL is the default sertting.

 

lex = pekpektard

 

Fallacy. If that's your thinking you'll get an eye-opener if the fight were to ever happen. You should study historically similar "style matchups" to see how this type of matchup could unfold

Morales lost the 12th. He did that for entertainment value because he already had the fight won.

I still don't get why Floyd wants to clinch Pac? That's almost a point of psychological submission. Maybe push Pac off. He has the better in-fighting ability. Clinching might lower Pac's work-rate but it would lower Floyd's effectiveness, as well. Its' the long and short range where Floyd has the advantage. It's the mid-range where Pac is most dangerous to explode from.

 

atsch

No, I haven't in the sense that you want it to be discussed. I've already conceded that Mayweather has an excellent defense. So why belabor the point??? If the fight was to ever take place Mayweather could potentially make it about as exciting as watching paint dry and maybe stymie Pacquiao's offense to squeak out a SD. This talk of strategy/tactics more often than not, as with in war, a good portion of it FLIES right out the window.

Will Mayweather's defense affect Pacquiao connect percentage? Yes... Does Mayweather have enough power in his counter-punching to stop Pacquiao? In my opinion no... Pacquiao has tasted power punches from other WW's that I don't think Mayweather is superior on in that category. That is important and what I think Spinks is talking about. If Mayweather wants to earn a win, the pitter patter that he's accustomed to isn't going to stop a relentless Pacquiao.

Will Mayweather get hit with power shots? Yes... Will Mayweather get hit with more power shots that he's been accustomed to? Yes... Does Pacquiao have enough to hurt Mayweather? A most definite yes...

I think Mayweather knows this as well... Which is why he went for a his "PAYDAY" with Ortiz... :hat

 

You still haven't gone into specific strategy, but obviously that isn't going to happen with you. Typical casual fan stuff, focusing on power. You still haven't talked about Pacquiao's lack of an effective jab and how that will play out in a fight with a great counter-puncher who has a size and reach advantage.

Let me put it simpler: Will you put your money where your mouth is? I'm willing to bet $1,000+ on Mayweather winning. How confident are you with Pacquiao? A lot of people on here talk trash, but I doubt they will put their money on the line when the fight happens.

 

I honestly don't recall anyone thinking Hatton would beat Pac. I remember people thinking it'd be a better fight than it was, but most people recognized Hatton was onthe decline.