Jose Napoles vs. Alexis Arguello at 135

So Arguello stands a better chance of beating Napoles than Sugar Ray Leonard?

Get back in your cage.

 

:yep :deal

October 1st I'm back in the 'Dam :happy

 

The scorecards and the knockdown in Napoles' favour think differently from Eddie.

Weed makes you an analysing machine. Everything seems so much clearer on it.

As for the body work, not sure trading body blows with Arguello is a good idea for anybody. He was one of the very best of all time in that regard for my money.

 

Well the formula lost me my student house at uni because I bet the house on it so I won't elaborate the way it works in case people think, as I initially did, that it does actually work.

The flaw was that the formula was self canibalising, that being that the odds of breaking even were, in the long term, less than the odds of losing everything you've won. Which is exactly what happened, because I didn't have the capital to win back the few k I lost I could never continue in the manner I intended so once the odds were that i'd lose that few k, I could never win it back. Which is exactly what happened.

For a few months I felt like a king skipping lectures and taking 60-80 quid for an hours work but I felt sick when it all went tits up.

Still I came out with a first class honours degree and today i'm a maths teacher so I guess everything worked out for the best :good

 

My birthday incidently.

I'd never have thought that, shows what I know about drugs.

I'm not talking about trading body blows, just Napoles could step in with them, just the way he throws them and the shape of Arguello's body, to me makes it seem like he couldnt miss.

Its all about knowing when to stop.

 

And stop I have

 

Stopped after losing though.

 

Indeed.

 

What makes you think I ever stepped outside my cage?

Ray didn't have the power to take out Napoles if he couldn't hurt Duran. Boxing publications slated SRL the winner over Napoles on cuts during early 1980s fantasy bouts, but again, Ray never defeated an opponent this way. (In fact, the only time I recall him drawing any blood was with that early accidental butt on Benitez, a laceration he did not aggravate with his fists.) I did think at the time that Jose could have bested him.

Napoles-SRL is going the distance, and Montreal showed Ray was not invincible against an ATG former LW at 147. Jose has at least half a dozen more inches of reach than El Cholo. Plus, he had the defensive skills to exploit SRL's telegraphing as Randy Shields, Benitez and Duran in Montreal did to him miss. Mantequilla's countering would make him pay for those misses.

Here, it's not a matter of styles so much as specific strengths, flaws and weaknesses. Arguello had the razors in his fists Ray lacked. He was also an accurate sharpshooter, and a more noted body puncher. (There was absolutely nothing deficient with SRL's body attack, perhaps the key factor in his WW unification win over Hearns, but we see Arguello putting champions like Royal Kobayashi and Andy Ganigan down for the count with his gut shots.)

 

Just the reply I expected.

 

So Arguello was a better fighter than SRL, not only in P4P but in absolute terms?

 

Leonard wouldn't need cuts to beat Napoles. He was just a bad matchup for him flat out. Bigger, longer, faster, and every bit as powerful. He'd beat Napoles to the punch more often than not, although Napoles would make a hell of a fight of it late. I'd wager Ray still beats him by a couple of points if he doesn't stop him on cuts earlier. A cuts stoppage is hardly out of the equation regardless of Ray's track record. It's not like the guys Napoles was cut by had a history of dicing people up.

 

Well Napoles' style was hardly predicated on beating an opponent to the punch. In fact, he's probably the finest example of a fighter who does precisely the opposite.

 

If anything, orthodox rounded boxers are his meat and drink. You saw what he did to Cokes.

 

Perhaps not, but Leonard's style was, and I'm quite confident in Leonard's overall physical advantages (alongside his supreme technical skills) winning the day over Napoles.

I don't see the relevance.