How does Pacquiao hold up against the classics? ( Prime )

This might be of interest to you, from the Classic forum, SL:

 

Yeah, the inside fighting is what was the deal-braker for me, with Armstrong at least. You rarely see Henry not glued to his opponent center ring, throwing relentlessly and outworking his guy. Pac's tough to get on the inside, like you said, but if anyone could work their way in, and stay there, it was Armstrong IMO. Can't see Pac keeping him off for the duration, the Hurricane that is Armstrong would swarm him and land combinations on Pacquiao on the inside, keeping him there and outworking him over the course of the fight. A stoppage win isn't out of the question either :good.

Mosley's a tough'en. I'm feeling Pac because I don't rate Suge all to highly, but when you see him pull off a performance like he did against De La Hoya (I) then it's not impossible to see him winning against Pacquiao. I'm not sure why Meldrick Taylor is in the list. At 140 that would be competitive, but the WW Taylor get's his **** handed to him. Strange choice.

 

Wowza, did not know that. Cheers BE.

Do you think Robinson would have stopped him if he turned up the heat? From that post, it certainly seems feasible.....:think

Maybe he was doing a Tyson vs James Tillis where he could have (and should have) stopped the man but seemed content to let it go the distance?

 

Well, I don't personally think Tyson was content to let Tillis go the distance. Tyson wasn't that experienced by then and Tillis was maybe the most focused and prepared Tillis could ever be, for that fight. That was a guy that had very good talent but was a very wishy-washy, flaky guy, coming off of losses, seemingly written off of ever getting to the top when Tyson got him. Tyson was able to flat out booty-**** everyone before Tillis and it was a surprising step up for him, perhaps, thinking Tillis had a fork in him.

And, instead of an easy knockout with a fighter that showed up to lay down, Tillis hit a point where he knew it was now or never and if he didn't show, the threat of Tyson was too great not to be at his absolute sharpest and he was. I think Tyson was simply too inexperienced to finish him the way he'd eventually learn to. Look at his next fight/the Green UD. Tyson wasn't content there either, just frustrated and clueless as to being spoiled in that manner. Take the Tyson of, say, the Thomas fight, Green and Tillis don't go the distance, imo. Just an experience thing. ...But, now I'm sidetracked.


It does seem like Robinson could've had him when he wanted. I think Robinson looked up to Armstrong like a Marciano/Louis thing? Marciano said something about being able to finish Louis much earlier but holding back, as I recall. I believe he cried in the dressing room later. No doubt though that Armstrong was about as durable as they come. I don't believe Pac stops him either. I think Armstrong might have a better chance of stopping Pac. :scaredas:

 

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Tillis was apparently a lot better conditioned in the Tyson fight than he had been in earlier fights according to Lampley and the HBO crew. His durability seemed better than his record would suggest too, and the KD Tyson scored didn't appear to hurt James. I think that Tyson's inexperienced and his going in with a tough foe like Tillis was a major factor in Mike not bludgeoning him like he had to his previous 19 opponents, but I also feel Mike was oddly innefective in the fight. Like the commentators pointed out, Tyson seemed oddly reluctant to attack Tillis's body, or throw his uppercut when they were up close and in the clinch. Rooney was critical of Mike for not doing so. The inexperienced played it's part for sure, and maybe you could even cite that as the cause of Mike's decision not to fight more on the inside, but I think if someone had slapped Tyson before the fight and said ''Look, punch the **** outta him when you get up close'', then the knockout streak just might have continued :yep

 

Whitaker would toy with Pac. Horrible style match up for Pac. Wide UD a la Chavez.

 

They're both southpaws, so Pernell's GOAT southpaw jab lands that much easier. emmanuel will be lunging in with his left all night and getting clowned on my the slick master.

 

The knockout streak that included the Ferguson DQ? :hey But, seriously, even though I'm almost completely out of my serious allotment for the month on just this thread, another thing is Tyson being more comfortable a lead man and never really a punch-waster, I think Tillis not giving him the spaces he wanted was stopping him from going off. He hadn't developed the subtler ways to create openings with live bodies yet. Tillis easily lost on the cards and all, but he was also giving very little up for Mike. He had that attitude of "I'm not gonna win but you're not getting anything for free either." Compared to Tyson, this guy was like the very definition of THE crafty vet that prospects get tested on. The beatable but frustrating guy that forces you to learn on the job and has been around the block a hundred times, win, lose or draw. That version of Tillis, anyway.

Later Tyson got better at ushering guys into the position he wanted and out of the position they wanted to be in, forcing openings to be there so he knew the target was there. I think I recall something about Tillis also having some kind of weird health problems that were a mystery until recently resolved before Tyson. SNV knows what memory has done to that blurb but let's say something like Celiac disease. That may've been a factor in him not being as easy a prey as we'd have assumed-having not been as healthy as he should've been previously. :conf...What were we talking about? Oh, yeah. SNV's movie with Jennifer Aniston might FINALLY get released after all the Canadian copyright issues!

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There is no way any human being could get up from that uppercut which dropped Fergie in 5, so I count that as a 5th round KO for Iron Mike.

Agreed. Tyson didn't like Tillis's movement one bit, that was clear. I think it might have taken a bit out of him chasing Tillis round and trying to wrestle him into a punching position up close as well. A commendable showing by Tillis IMO, he did very little to win, but he didn't look awful and gave a fairly good account of himself. First man to take Tyson the distance ain't a half bad accolade :yep

It was allergies I believe. Apparently he had a glass of Cranberry juice before the William//Biggs bout (I have no idea which one though) and an allergic reaction hampered his success in the fight yep). It was a citrus allergy amongst several others methinks :think.

I too hope the SNV film surfaces. I can't even begin to imagine what the on-screen chemistry between him and Enrique Iglesias would be like :hey

 

Pacquiao doesn't win a single round against any of these guys and gets knocked out in every fight except against Hearns, where he is literally decapitated.

 

Napoles would've outclassed and beat up Pacquiao. Only way Pacquiao's winning is by a TKO on cuts, but he'd be behind on the cards at the time.

 

Not bad for a former flyweight champ, eh?

 

Pac beats all of them, except he would have close fights with Duran and Whitaker, probably losing to them.

 

this is more like it, people need to realise pacquiao does not win mythical matchups and tommy hearns KO's any human being that has ever lived.

 

The general forum is ****.