Anyone else have any trouble supporting Cain because of his "Brown Pride" tattoo?

Actually I'm speaking primarily with Koa, I'm interested to reaad what he will say if he takes the time to address my points. Your posts in this thread have been mediocre at best and pointless at worst, you are not interested in debating a topic and disagreeing while remaining civil so there is nothing really that needs to be said between the two of us anyway. :good

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You are of course aware that Mongrel Mob members often have swastika tattoos and wear fake Iron Crosses and real Nazi-era war helmets?

And anyone who has spent any time at all in the presence of Mongrel Mob members knows that they yell "Seig Heil" or "Seig ****ing Heil" all the time. If you see graffiti in New Zealand with the letters MMM, that stands for Mighty Mongrel Mob. If you see SFH, that's Seig ****ing Heil and it was put there by a Mob prospect or hanger-on.

Does that make them Nazis or white supremacists? :huh

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See the guy in the German WW2 helmet? Reckon he's a white supremacist? :huh

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Fine. Symbols can also mean different things to different groups of people, even if one interpretation is dominant.

Fine. But by the same token, a non-white person getting a racially-themed tattoo doesn't get to just decide that it's completely a positive, affirming thing with no divisive and alienating connotations. :good

Well, in the case of the N-word, he can claim that the understanding and reacting to the word has ALREADY completely changed. No longer is it primarily a racist, hateful word in modern society. Instead it has become a filler word for the black community, a slang term to be freely used to express everything from brotherhood to casual acceptance to suspicion to outright hostility. To use the word in its traditional aggressively racist sense these days is to be going against the grain. :good

First, I'm not "offended" by Cain's tattoo. Not at all. It just puts me off supporting him fully, because it is a statement of what is extremely important to him, which is a separatist statement that automatically closes me out straight away, because of the colour of my own skin. It's not like I'm crying myself to sleep over it. I still like the guy and wish him well in his life and career. But I would prefer that Cain didn't have it.

Junior dos Santos probably shares a very similar mindset to Cain. That's cool, I'll support him when they fight because I like both guys, but one of them didn't put a massive branding on his body that says "I look at you differently than I do any other fan of mine who has a skin colour that I prefer to yours." :yep

With regards to the Celtic cross, celebrating a place or a nation is different than celebrating a colour. And second, I think plastic Paddies are ridiculous. Fourth- or fifth-generation Americans who never knew any family members who came from Ireland ink themselves up with shamrocks and Celtic crosses and such.

Sure, the words "White Pride" are associated with racist movements, and "Brown Pride" is regarded as a positive thing. I never denied that. But racist movements are not the only or even the defining aspect of the concept of "white pride", and there sure as **** are a lot of "brown pride" groups who are just as racist and nasty as the white pride racists.

I think you'll find that you are the one who is picking and choosing which groups are allowed to publicly celebrate unity and tradition. I am saying that "*whatever colour* Pride" tattoos should either be appropriate, or not appropriate. Regardless of the wearer's own ethnicity.

You are the one who are saying that it's automatically a positive, affirming thing for one individual, but a negative, inappropriate expression for another. :good

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It's not an easy thing, to explain how you feel proud of being white. Most white people are not encouraged to do it, so you don't really know how to express it. There is no unified white identity and we don't think of everyone who shares our skin tone as being connected to us just because they are pale as well. I have no connection to a Icelander or a Spaniard, we are strangers to each other just as much as I am a stranger to you. :conf

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Your post here is stupid. You are sarcastically attributing a lot to me that I did not say, like I think his tattoo is some kind of sinister plot. All I am saying is that, although he is free to wear it, I personally would prefer that he expressed himself in a less racially divisive way. If you are going to argue the point then argue the point.

For a start. I don't exactly obsess over it. Should I say a few more times that I like the guy and wish him well in his career?

Second, I know it's a message for brown people. I don't tend to approve of tattoos which carry messages about skin colour.

Great, but a White Pride tattoo would automatically mean that the wearer had a message directed towards nonwhites as well as whites, correct?

No, I won't be getting that tattoo or starting a white pride thread in the lounge. :good

How do I take it personal? Cain is the heavyweight champion and I have said nothing but nice things about him personally in this thread. If it were all up to me, I would not hinder his career or television exposure at all because of his tattoo.

I simply would that rather he did not have it. As a white person and Velasquez fan, the tattoo alienates me a little bit from supporting him, and its prominence and positive acceptance irritates me a little with the double standard of it. That's all. I wanted to find if others felt the same.

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