Controversial statements on boxing that you stand by...

Maybe Wlad. but they`re big, good technicians.

And Holmes was not shot to **** against Tyson. That version of Tyson always kos Holmes.

 

Flea posted that boyo's boxrec on the last page.

 

"Past prime"?:good

 

Sure, that`s fair. But I do feel Tyson is not given enough credit for just what he did in that fight.

 

Whats Tysons best win?

Thomas gets underrated for me.

 

Spinks, because it tells you everything about the 1980s Tyson, how he won with his aura - even against excellent, multi-weight world champions. That, in itself, is an astonishing attribute and why I think he should be considered a top 10 heavy.

 

You are ****in' trippin' :deal Honestly, without sounding harsh you clearly have no knowledge of that Heavyweight era, not enough anyway or you wouldn't have as low an opinion of Tyson's resume.

Secondly, Holmes was not shot to ****, and was never stopped subsequently, coming through a rough first round against murderous punching Ray Mercer to win on points four years later, as well as doing the distance with a prime Holyfield after that. When did anyone treat Holmes like that? Holmes' bull**** about not having any notice doesn't fly either, he was not in the worst shape for that fight and regardless, he was destroyed like he has never been before. Holmes, who arguably has the greatest powers of recovery in the history of the division.

-Tucker
-Tubbs
-Ribalta
-Bonecrusher
-Bruno x2
-Berbick
-Thomas
-Stewart
-Ruddock x2
-Marvis

+Holmes and Spinks is a very, very solid Heavyweight resume. Coupled with his ability, and the fact that he was still a useful fringe level banger right up until he got pummeled by Lewis, means that whilst I can see the argument for him outside the top ten, your harsh assessment of him is totally unfair and misleading.

You're also underrating James Douglas, who was a decent contender who came into that fight an underachiever. Dismissing him with 'Johnson or Rocky wouldn't lose to him' is like me saying 'Tyson wouldn't get sparked early by Choynski' or 'Tyson actually beat Heavyweights weighing over 200lbs'. These fights/stats aren't indictative of their alltime standings as a whole. Tyson of course, gets immense kudos towards his standing with the way he beat most of his best opposition and the age in which he did it. If you don't count performance/achievement as part of your criteria, as I say, the ring record I gave a very brief look at above is surely sufficient proof as to this mans quality.

Also, out of shape and unmotivated, Tyson effectively stopped Douglas. He also showed he had a great chin in that fight, which is yet more proof of his prowess.

Sorry to go off on one but whilst I'm firmly not in the camp that believe that Kid Dynamite was the best thing since sliced bread, I do think the kind of revisionist history that you are spouting needs to be challenged.

 

Holmes or Spinks. Thomas was a bit ravaged from coke (as were quite a few of the 80s Heavys) and, going by his effort, I'd rate Tucker as the better win. Good fighter.

 

Mr Flea, I'm not saying Tyson was complete crap and he would have failed to win any version of the HW title part from the 80s-90s. That's not the case. What I'm saying is people overrate him more than anyone in HW history IMO. I've seen countless p4p ATG lists with his name on it, and for me he doesn't crack the top 10 HWs, let alone a top 10 p4p list.

Ok, it's a little harsh to suggest Holmes was completely shot, but he was nowhere near his prime when Tyson fought him. Bruno and Rudduck were good wins, but again it doesn't warrant a top 10 ATG ranking.

I understand ur not claiming Tyson was the GOAT, or even a top 10 Heavy, but when people rate him as such, it pisses me off to an extent for me to label him the most overrated fighter in HW history. That's not saying he was a complete hype job, he just gets overrated :good

 

What about all the other top wins I posted. How does that match up with Marciano's Charlesx2, Walcottx2, LaStarzax2, Moore?

I'd love to see your top ten HWs Vano, and Liston and Dempsey better not be in there :good

 

I actually think Tysons Heavyweight resume gets more slack than it deserves. It's not as good as say, Lennox Lewis's resume, but there are more names on it than just Spinks and Holmes. Tony Tucker, IBF champ, unbeaten and coming off a win over Buster Douglas, he was comfortably outpointed by Mike. Tyrell Biggs was another unbeaten guy, very talented and an Olympic gold medallist, Tyson decimated him with ease. He retired a great fighter in Spinks inside of a round. And then there's names like Ruddock, Tubbs, Bruno, Berbick, Mathis Jr etc..... Some good names IMO. It's not too far behind Holmes's resume if you ask me.

Speaking of Holmes I wouldn't call him 'shot to ****' when Tyson fought him. If he was, I don't think he would have went on to beat Ray Mercer, or give Holyfield, McCall and Nielsen close fights.

 

Mike Tyson is a greater fighter than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

 

Oh **** didn't even see Flea Mans post

 

Better than Fraziers without the Ali win?

 

Yeah, for sure but that win is huge. I have them in the same bracket anyways.