Frank Mir vs Minotauro Nogueira II, UFC 140!

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Sep 7, 2011.


  1. horst

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    Just announced on BJ Penn's facebook.

    I'm pretty saddened by this as a Big Nog fan, as I don't see this going very differently from their 1st fight. Mir's striking game is too sharp and powerful for the old, declined Nogueira. Still, I'll support him again anyway.

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  2. Stoo

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    At least there's some good news tonight, cant see this going to differently than the 1st match though
     
  3. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Will always be rootin' for Nog till he retires :p
     
  4. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    Damn I hope that a gun shy Mir gets triangled by Nog !!!:)
     
  5. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Nog was flat footed, and backing up in a straight line against Mir in their first bout. Nogueria could drastically change things by circling instead. I thought most of you were boxing fans. You should know the detriment of backing up in a straight line against an opponent.

    Other than the footwork mistake, Nogueira has superior boxing to Mir. If Nog circles, don't be surprised to see him win by knock out.
     
  6. Stoo

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    I admire your optimism Rek but Mir has had 3 years to improve and Nog isnt exactly Fred Astaire
     
  7. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    :lol: No, Nog isn't.

    Mir has good athleticism, has above average power, but still isn't a world class striker. Retreating in a straight line against Mir is almost certain doom, but Nogueira's chances increase significantly just by moving in a circle. This will not guarantee Nog's victory, as his reflexes have diminished. Mir has exceptional power for mma, and all it takes is one of his punches to get the legs rubbery.
     
  8. Stoo

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    I think the problem for Nog is he will be caught flat footed when he throws and Mir loves to step in and counter. He's obviously not a world class striker, but he does this relatively well

    Even BS was relatively successful when he pressed forward against Nog, albeit very briefly
     
  9. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    This is what I was thinking. However, I think Nog's legs are too shot to employ any useful lateral movement and he'll end up getting outquicked. Mir is a shitty boxer but his speed and athleticism figure to make him the favorite.
     
  10. horst

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    I don't think it would drastically change things Rek. I think it'd perhaps delay the inevitable a few minutes longer is all. Maybe I overrate Mir as I always seem to think more of his abilities than people on here, but I think he can be pretty clinical at times, and he mixes it up better than most heavyweights. With a 20lbs weight advantage over Nog, younger, fresher, faster, more athletic, better power, and so on, I just don't see Nog winning this.

    Then again, I thought he'd lose to Schaub!! :oops::oops::oops:
     
  11. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Whether it could change things now, maybe not. I really think this lack of footwork is what won this fight for Mir when they met. Nogueira never was anything like Machinda, but he once circled his opponents. Nogueira was almost back to PRIDE days when he fought Couture, when compare to his performance against Mir.

    The right Schaub caught Nog with would have much more impact if it were thrown by Mir. I'm not getting my hopes up. I just think Nog can make a better fight of it if he follows a better game plan than in their first encounter.
     
  12. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I really want to thank you for not mentioning Nog's chin. Obviously, glass or not, Mir can crack it. This fight will boil down to whether or not Mir can land a fight ending shot. Nog's legs may be better than they were in their first encounter, but Nog may never again perform as well as he did against Couture. As you said, Nog may no longer have the legs. Nog's footwork may very well be the key to this fight.
     
  13. jimmie

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    Cant see whats changed in 3 years. Nog is still shot and Mir's striking has improved.
     
  14. Flash Jab

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    I don't care at all about this fight.
     
  15. Stoo

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    I dont care at all about this reply ;)