Why are these defensive fighters so punch drunk...?

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  1. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why are Ali,Whittaker, Toney, and Mayweather Sr. so punch drunk. There styles rely heavily on slipping punches/defense which means that they got hit less, right?
     
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  2. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't forget Wilfred Benitez, and the late Floyd Patterson and Jimmy Young. It is ironic how the defensive specialists seem to end up with dementia.
     
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  3. PH|LLA

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    because their defensive abilities erode as they get older and they are not conditioned to take too many hard punches to the head.
     
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  4. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gym wars.
     
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  5. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks for those additions. Really odd. :?
     
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  6. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That makes sense.
     
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  7. marciano22

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    You take a lot of punches before you learn ;)
     
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  8. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Willie Pep, arguably the greatest defensive fighter of all time, died of pugilistic dementia. Even the great defensive fighters get hit a lot if they fight a lot (both in fights and training) and especially if they fight on too long.
     
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  9. killuminix

    killuminix yes im back Full Member

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    too much sparring
     
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  10. Beatle

    Beatle Sheer Analysis Full Member

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    Ali got floored 5 times, and got hit flush loads of times. His defense wasn't as impenetrable as his nuthuggers think.

    Pernell, Toney and Floyd Joy were born punch-drunk!
     
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  11. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    they also probably fight longer because their careers are extended.
     
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  12. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One of my favorite movies in your avatar! :good
     
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  13. guncho

    guncho next champion! Full Member

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    i think they are not used to get punched in face and when getting older they absorb unusual punishment for them!

    How is roy after Lebadev fight haven't heard him!
     
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  14. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You stupid. :lol:

    I agree about Toney though!
     
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  15. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Guys take a lot of punishment on the way up to master those skills, and a guy who wins in a 12 round schooling can still take more damage than a guy who gets his man out of there early.
    One other thing though, pep was pretty damn old when he died and was coherent even as an old man. I think he's one of the best case scenarios, really.
     
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