Angelo Dundee -"Vitali is special" but says Ali would beat him.

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  1. dave-slave

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    From Huffington post.

    Vitali is great -- the best out there today but Muhammad would have beaten him by just fighting the way he normally did. Muhammad would have moved in and out, side to side, popped him with the jab and fast combinations. Vitali relies on the jab but Muhammad would have smothered his jab and hit him with his own -- time and again." When pressed as to how Ali would have coped with Vitali's thunderous right hand Dundee insisted, "Really, Vitali would never hit him with that right. He was too fast and would have easily seen the right coming. Muhammad's opponents could never believe how quick his reflexes were. No disrespect but Vitali would have been shocked."
    Dundee continued, "It would have been an ugly fight. Muhammad would have won an easy decision or maybe the ref would have stopped it as Vitali got banged up. And this is not to take anything away from Vitali. He is special. But it is just a matter of styles and Muhammad had the style to deal with Vitali."
    Dundee observed that as good as Vitali is, "He could be better. He pulls back when he jabs and he doesn't throw enough uppercuts even though all the guys he fights lean in."One of the greatest trainers in history also suggested, "Vitali should develop a left hook. It is just jab, jab, right hand. He needs a good hook." And by the way, as the Henry Cooper, Sonny Banks, and Frazier fights attest, it was the left hook that Ali was always most vulnerable to.
     
  2. Kid Presentable

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    Definitely agree about Vitalis uppercuts guys are there for the taking with it but Vitali has such a slow ponderous uppercut can be seen a mile off. Lewis had great uppercut for a big guy. Shows how good Vitali is that he doesnt need it
     
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    Agreed fully, but still Vitali is helluva unusual fighter.
     
  4. krishv123

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    I disagree.. Ali was outstanding in his Era, but I think it would have taken one of the Gian Heavyweights (Lewis) to beat a vitali, Ali was a small heavyweight 215 lbs.....and fairly upright, excellent footwork but vitali is exceptional at closing the distance and he teases you with the jab from his waist....its not a conventional jab
     
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    watch the Cleveland Williams fight
     
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    Ali would be surprised how hard it is to catch Vitali. Vitali can rope-a-dope without the rope. Vitali UD
     
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    speed, head movement, power and heart beats Vitali!

    Tyson in his prime would have busted him up...

    Haye also possesses all these attributes apart from heart... u need to be willing to take the necessary risks!!
     
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    Williams was half a fighter that night, a fight I don't focus on when talking bout Ali
     
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    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Was bedeutet Dundee über den Boxsport kennen????

    -Klit fans
     
  10. E30

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    Ever seen Ali-Frazier 1?
     
  11. Imperial1

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    When talking about the a fight like this people have to consider the boxer Ali compared to Vitali ..I talk to a trainer today and all he kept saying about Vitali is all he does is the same Jab Jab Right hand he can't box ..Can anyone really argue with that ? And Dundee is wright where are his uppercuts ..
     
  12. Bubby

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    This from the same man who said David Haye was a top 15 ATG!:lol::lol:
    And also said Haye was just too fast and powerful for Wladimir.:nut
     
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    what do except him to say.
     
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    beating a gunshot victim that was physically never the same, impressive.
     
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    Vitali was throwing the uppercut there for a few fights, then seemed to stop using it.

    Same for his left hook. Don't see much of htat here lately, either. He was using his lead left hook to great effect a couple three fights ago, but against Adamek I don't think he did.

    I wonder if Fritz Sdunek is taking note of Dundee's comments.