What's with the Haye lies/hate?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Vidic, Sep 13, 2011.


  1. Thomas!!

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    Exactly. Saying that Haye wasn't trying to win the fight is just Bogus.

    And usually come from people who follow it up with deeply insightful comments like 'gaye', 'David ran like a little girl', 'Haye was trying to suck wlads dick', 'Haye is a coward', 'haye should of gone out on his shield' and various other informed and useful comments that shed light on exactly how the fight panned out and the gameplans employed by each corner.
     
  2. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, like, you can only have an oppinion on sports if you are yourself and athlete? Only Lineker and Shearer can talk about football now? Really? Jeez.
     
  3. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Please find a quote that supports your allegation that says he blamed the judges(referee) and the fans for losing the fight, not just one that says Wlad wasn't able to KO him even with the fans and refs backing.

    Cheers.

    No. But it's obvious when people who play football and those who don't talk about it, same with boxing. Because you attempt to speak on things as if you know at all how or why they happen, saying people should do this and that, when in real life, it simply isn't feasible.
     
  4. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe he tried to win early on, but he took VERY FEW risks in trying to do so. At a certain point, it seemed he just gave up and even Booth said something to that effect (something along the lines of "when you get hurt trying to come in over the jab, you get discouraged"). That is what I and most boxing writers blame him for. Can't believe that's so hard to understand.
     
  5. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The is the quote right there: "he had the referee, judges and fans on his side. I had no real chance" -his words. He is blaming everyone but himself in that quote.
     
  6. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    He had no chance of winning the fight no, but where has he contradicted where he said Wlad won because he was better, he is simply stating there Wlad couldn't put him down, and that the ref was **** (he was).
     
  7. Thomas!!

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  8. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's akin to saying only directors and actors can talk about movies and only writers or editors can understand books. By reading books, watching movies or following sporsts, you can gain a level of understanding. Like most people I've played amateur football, and I've even done boxing training - but my ability to speak on either sport doesn't just stem from the training I once did. It comes from the fact that I've followed them as a fan for many years.
     
  9. itsa huge bitch

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    and wlad couldnt put him down because he was slipping on the outside all night..haye went in there to just go 12 rounds so silly guys would want to see a rematch just because he couldnt knock haye out...kevin johnson done the same thing and he was also a coward..
     
  10. Thomas!!

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    exactly
     
  11. Vergilius

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    Read the quote: He's saying that he didn't stand a chance because everyone was against him when the fact is that he didn't stand a chance because the other guy was just better! It's there in black and white.
     
  12. itsa huge bitch

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  13. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    No it's not, because books and films performance are non-competitive, and their value is derived solely from the enjoyment an individual gets from it.

    When you are in the ring there is ANOTHER PERSON THERE who is trying to knock you out

    But you have people who haven't ever put on gloves, saying a man should just 'take more risks' against the best heavyweight active on the planet, as if it is easy to get round his jab, away from his right, and land on him before he covers up, outmanouvers you, or smothers you

    It's obvious they don't know what they are talking about

    Any man who calls a boxer a coward for things like this wants shooting
     
  14. itsa huge bitch

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    vidic can you honestly say haye done everything in his power to try and win the fight???
     
  15. Kojiro

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    Exactly.

    I think it's pretty obvious that the only chance he had, and the only chance pretty much anyone would have against Wlad is to rush him with fast hard punches a'la Sanders, make him as uncomfortable as possible and knock him out. Sure, Wlad is better now but it's still a good strategy.

    And Haye seemed to be the man who could pull it off - fast, precise, powerful puncher. All he needed to do was to take the risk - knock him out or be knocked out. That's what people expected him to do after all the talking and he focused on surviving the fight just to continue running his mouth afterwards, certain that many of his most deluded fans would even accept the pinky toe excuse.