The Best Version Of Bruce Seldon Vs Tokyo Tyson

Even in the bruno fight it was evident it wasn't the same tyson from the previous year.

Still, when I say anyone I don't literally mean anyone. It's an old saying so these things have to be considered.

Still in a parallel universe somewhere you're arguing the case for bruno since it was him who ended the run of iron.

Completely dismissing a fighter's chance in this situation is a bit silly to be honest. And 75% of classic agree with me

 

Seldon doesnt get up from the uppercut that dropped Douglas. Besides, Seldon on his best day was no where near as good as Douglas on his best day (which just so happened to be Tokyo).

 

I agree 100%. The worst thing Shelly Finkel did was match Tyson against big guys like Williams and McBride. They layed on Tyson and were able to absorb some of his punishment and physically wear him out. Tyson would have beaten guys like Seldon and Etienne every day of the week even when he was washed up, because they didnt have the type of style to wear Tyson down and had **** chins. If Finkel was smart he would have continued to match Tyson with guys like Norris, Seldon etc. where he had a chance to fight a little and make some room for himself. These giant guys just layed on Tyson and wore him out within a few rounds because he was never in good physical shape.

 

Bruno couldn't dream of having the skillset Douglas did he's too stiff, if there is a parallel universe where he beat Tyson, he'd have Douglasesque skills instead of being so stiff and hittable :yep

No I'd say giving Seldon's chin a chance against any top tier puncher is silly. Bowe flattened Seldon just as easily as Tyson, McCall did and plenty of others. I'd actually pick Seldon to maybe beat Ruiz/Byrd as they're none punchers and Seldon as a pure boxer is quite good. Against pretty much any version of Tyson, Tua, Bowe or Lennox he'd simply get flattened quick time

 

I'm sure the consensus opinion was that douglas too couldn't take mike's best shots...

 

Douglas never showed a chin nearly as bad as Seldon, in fact he doesn't look at all chinny in his first career

 

Maybe a prime Seldon could beat the 2004/05 version of Tyson. Before that - FORGET IT !

 

My answer is no..

Even on that chaotic night in February of 1990, when Tyson looked terrible, he still would have prevailed against Seldon in one way or another. James Douglas was a much better professional than Bruce Seldon, and it still took 10 rounds of hammering, plus having to rise off the canvas to beat Tyson. More importantly, Bruce did not have the rangy fighting style or boxing skills that Douglas used to keep Tyson at bay, and although James was not especially durable, I think Seldon's glass chin surpasses even his own.

 

hell I think anyone can beat anyone, as a qualified statistician I also believe if you put a bunch of monkeys infront of typewriters you'd get the works of shakespeare eventually.

 

A very good post.:good

I never rated finkel as "boxing people", he was just some legal eagle with negotiating prowess good at the business side of things. works great when you have the best fighter in the world with unlimited potential who can still beat anyone but is a bad recipe if he is representing a fighter with limitations.

Prime Tyson had youth edge in speed that meant he used to be able to beat giant guys to the punch and had the wind to outwork and out think them.
Old Tyson simply did not adapt. He became a 2 round fighter because he could only fight like a young man for 2 rounds. He was at anyone’s mercy beyond that.

I remember it being finkels job to get Tyson out of debt and there was a lot of fights Tyson could still win but finkel did not seem to realise Tyson was not 21 years old anymore. He did a bad job because he did not understand Boxing.

One thing we learned about veteran heavyweights with George foreman is older fighters can give away height or size but not both. The version of Tyson that McBride and Danny Williams beat would have lost to Sammy scaff.

 

ok, play devils advocate and limit it to fighters withing reasonable size for tyson here.

after blowing away ettiene, who would you match mike with? holyfield, toney, ruiz, byrd, jones?

maybe kirk johnson?

even still it's futile because unless he managed to get to the top in the small window between vitali retiring and wlad hitting his peak form, he'd get blasted out by the bigger men in lewis and vitali.

 

I think he was done one way or another. And I'm not even certain that he would have beaten some of the smaller heavys you mentioned by that point. Mike's career probably should have ended after the second Holyfield fight and was DEFINITELY over after Lewis.