Mayweather and Ellerbe: Top Rank refused to put Cotto in there with Floyd

Lance_Uppercut · Sep 16, 2011

tinorknitz said: ↑

First you have to call Floyd out to land a fight with him. Then you have to have a huge fan base. Then you must have a good PPV record. Now, you must be ITCHING? Damn, it's so hard to land a mega fight with Floyd. Ortiz is so damn lucky he's a young hungry lion.
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Those ***goty Floyd fanboys like comp really paint themselves into a corner with all thew **** they say. Althogh, I gotta admit, they've learned a little. they used to discredit the **** outta every floyd opponent, only to come back and say what a huge win it was.

tanker19k · Sep 16, 2011

a new world order

Concrete · Sep 16, 2011

Can we all agree that if Mayweather and Arum don't split we probably see these fights happen?

gooners!! · Sep 16, 2011

The man retired when the divisions was red hot, what more needs be said? You would have to be naive to buy into this BS.

Goro · Sep 16, 2011

Really now, sure didn't sound like he wanted any part of Cotto in the Hatton-Mayweather post fight interview with Larry Merchant.

He wanted to fight Cotto at 140lbs when Cotto hadn't fought anyone decent at that point........ but ducked Cotto when Cotto's stock was highest at 147lbs.

Lance_Uppercut · Sep 16, 2011

Goro said: ↑

He wanted to fight Cotto at 140lbs when Cotto hadn't fought anyone decent at that point........ but ducked Cotto when Cotto's stock was highest at 147lbs.
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That's exactly what I've said! :thumbsup

Lance_Uppercut · Sep 16, 2011

compukiller said: ↑

Here are the guys who were beltholders at 140 when Cotto was:

Vivian Harris
Kostya Zoo
Ricky Hatton
Floyd Mayweather
Arturo Gatti

He didnt fight any of them. So does that mean he ducked them?? :think
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No you ****, Cotto was just making waves at that point. atsch

Lance_Uppercut · Sep 16, 2011

compukiller said: ↑

So, it is the duty of ALL other fighters to call him out if they want to fight? Because, seriously, I dont remember these fighters calling him out:

Michael Jennings
Alfonso Gomez
Zab judah
Yuri Forman
Manny Pac
Oktay Urkal
Joshua Clottey
Ricardo Torres
Carlos Quintana

But I remember these guys calling him out:
Sergio MArtinez at 154
Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron
Vanes Martosiyan

It's funny, it seems like the only way to get a fight with Cotto is to not call him out!:deal
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atsch Only ***s like you make a big deal outta call outs. Go watch some pro wrestling *******....

MichiganWarrior · Sep 16, 2011

Lance_Uppercut said: ↑

No you ****, Cotto was just making waves at that point. atsch
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Hey you ****** hill billy compare who Floyd fought in the first 6 years of his pro career. And who Cotto fought.

"Making waves" What getting nearly knocked out by Demarcus Corley, Torres and getting chased around the ring by Ndou is making waves. :rofl

MichiganWarrior · Sep 16, 2011

victor879 said: ↑

I already provided an answer for you, and again, factual information is ignored so people can continue with this "ra ra Floyd was scared of Margarito" bull****.

"Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

From ESPN. Floyd wanted both the guys people claim he "ducked." It was Bob Arum who nixed the deal because he did not want to work with Oscar, not Floyd. People need to wake the **** up, seriously. All this "most feared man in boxing" bull**** did not come up until after Floyd made a career payday against Oscar, and Bob Arum was left on the sideline wondering why he did not get his cut.

When Floyd was with Bob Arum: "He's the greatest boxer I have seen since Ali and SRL."
When Floyd left Bob Arum: "He's a ducker and scared of (Insert Top Rank Fighter Here)."

Sure Bob.....
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:happy

Oscar was a much tougher opponent then Margarito. And Hatton stylistically caused more problems then Hatton ever would have. :deal

Brian · Sep 16, 2011

victor879 said: ↑

Wrong. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

"Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Bob Arum is on record saying he nixed the deal Mayweather was trying to work out with Top Rank. The Oscar fight was especially a big issue as Mayweather wanted that fight, and Bob having bad blood with Oscar, did not want to deliver.
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What else is there to debate for 8 pages?

BigReg · Sep 16, 2011

I'll say this. When Mayweather was 24, he was a p4p elite. When Cotto was 24, he was a paper champ and considered green. When Mayweather was 30, he was p4p no.1. Cotto is now 30, holds a trinket, and is considered past it. Mayweather is 34 and is about to participate in one of the biggest fights of the year against a prime champion. Cotto is about to fight a fellow has been in December in what should be dubbed the "I got my ass kicked by Pacquiao" bowl. How can a p4p, elite champion be scared of a career paper champ who can't even hold his jockstrap? It's a mystery to me.

p.s - I'm a Cotto fan

Whipdatass · Sep 16, 2011

BigReg said: ↑

I'll say this. When Mayweather was 24, he was a p4p elite. When Cotto was 24, he was a paper champ and considered green. When Mayweather was 30, he was p4p no.1. Cotto is now 30, holds a trinket, and is considered past it. Mayweather is 34 and is about to participate in one of the biggest fights of the year against a prime champion. Cotto is about to fight a fellow has been in December in what should be dubbed the "I got my ass kicked by Pacquiao" bowl. How can a p4p, elite champion be scared of a career paper champ who can't even hold his jockstrap? It's a mystery to me.

p.s - I'm a Cotto fan
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You can't change a trolls mind. I just put them on ignore.

Nay_Sayer · Sep 16, 2011

compukiller said: ↑

First of all, Floyd-Margo in 2006 which is when Arum tried to make this fight (ironically right as Floyd was leaving TR) would not have done more than Cotto-Floyd.

Margarito was not known to the casual fans AT ALL at this time. He was just known as a tough journeyman level fighter who had several losses on his record when he stepped up in competition.

He had never even headlined a PPV that did more than 50,000 PPV buys. I mean really, what big name opponent had he beaten? (And beating Kermit Cintron on ESPN does not count).

Cotto was undefeated, packed arenas in Puerto Rico, Vegas, and NY, and had done a few PPV's that had done upwards of 150,000 buys. In fact, his PPV against ZAB did over 250,000. His fight with Mosley did 400,000.

Margo had never, ever done ANYTHING near that amount, and was considered a ESPN fighter at the time. He had never really headlined any major shows on any of the major networks (except friday night fights).

So, how does Floyd-Margo do bigger numbers in 2006 than Cotto-Floyd in 2008 (or any other year for that matter)?

And get this, after Margo did all that calling out of FLoyd in 2006, what did he do next?

He finally got to headline on HBO against Paul Williams. AND HE LOST!!!:deal
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:deal

Concrete · Sep 16, 2011

Mayweather defeats a JMW belt holder who was 5'10-5'11 and probably weighed 165 on fight night had freddie roach as his trainer after being trained by his own father, had a mean jab and reach advantage.

But he was scared of Miquel Cotto because he beat Jab Judah and ran away from Shane Mosley to seal the win.

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