**** Kirk's ESB Championships 2011 ****

My idea about the Ortiz vs FMJ KO4 incident.

Seen a sh*tload of threads about it, read only one of them and read the titles of the rest. Seems like the sentiment is about 50/50 out there.
But with this being one of the few sane places left over at ESB I thought better give my opinion here.

I think Ortiz mainly has himself to blame, but both Floyd and Cortez were also clearly responsible for the bizarre ending.

Ortiz f*cked up by;
a) Headbutting Floyd when he had him on the ropes. What was the guy thinking? It's a stupid move because you lose the momentum, you can be disqualified (2 points deducting is the right call by the way) and you give your opponent a moment of rest.
b) The "protect yourself at all times" rule. How stupid are you pulling this with Floyd in the ring? Floyd is know to use/abuse any advantage he can get, fair or unfair, inside and outside of the ring. It's who he is and what he does.
c) He knew Cortez was the referee, so it is extremely stupid to do things that are illegal, and even more allowing the fight to come to a controversial point because you know you'll the one paying up whatever the situation.

Floyd f*cked up by;
Making a relatively easy fight into an controversial circus. His already bad reputation took another hit, and his obnoxious and unsportsmanlike reputation got confirmed once again.

Cortez f*cked up by;
a) Not looking at the boxers at the time of the suckerpunch KO. Ortiz was watching at him like "did you see that ref?" after the first punch (wich he obviously didn't because he wasn't watching at all) and that gave Floyd the uppertunity to land the KO punch.
Cortez just started to count when Ortiz was laying on the floor. Now it was a legal (though sucker-) punch, but he didn't even f*cking see it!
b) Blowing the call on the Intenional Butt D), wich should have been a 2 point deduction according to the rules. But that wasn't that important.
c) Confirming his reputation as an incompetent/partial referee, I'm sure he's the ref on Floyd's next bout.

All in all Ortiz was the one that screwed himself and he got the KO4 loss to prove it. If you guys don't agree, feel free to respond. :good

 

I thought it was all Cortez fault. Just to keep it a bit brief when Ortiz butted him, he didn't grab Ortiz right away. Ortiz was able to walk over and start kissing him (thankful nothing happened at that moment) so Cortez grabs him, but he doesn't send Mayweather to a neutral corner. Big error.

After that's done he then starts looking ringside, when he should have sent Ortiz to a neutral corner, have them both in neutral corners. Then bring them both out, talk in the center of the ring and give a stern warning and tell both fighters no roughhouse tactics. Blood pressure is high, and things are happening as a ref you need to try and put that fire out and take control. Instead, he lets the fighters get close in the center of the ring, and you have to figure Floyd (rightfully so, because let's face it, he was just billygoated) is going to do something and Cortez has his thumb up his arse and is looking ringside. Now, Ortiz should have had his hands up, but Cortez could have and should have taken control. Just meet both of them in the center, look at the time keeper as you are inbetween both fighters and then yell "fight" or "box" step out of the way and let it play out.

So, I place all blame on Cortez. He didn't take control when he could and should have. He did not do his job as a ref.

 

Found this gem in one of the threads...

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Protect yourselves at all times, I'm afraid there's little more to say. Floyd found the loop-hole and many will hate him for it, but by the rules once signaled go, you can hit your opponent and expect to get hit. This is just about the perfect ending for HBO producers to make Mayweather the bad guy for the PacMan fight and a painful yet positive way out for Ortiz, who was getting tagged and another ref might've DQ'd him, but leaves as the people's champ. Certainly a drama of Mayweather's caliber.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Cortez is an idiot. What the hell was he doing in there? You dont ****ing put the two fighters together BEFORE you've handled your business with the judges. I mean for crying out loud.

Ortiz was a fool for doing the headbutting. He got caught in the moment, and he was penalized for it. And he came in to apologize.. But really.. his camp has gone around saying how dirty Mayweather is, and he should have seen the tapes where Mayweather "sucker punched" Mosley. He should have been prepared!

Mayweather is Mayweather. Everything he did tonight was legal, and it's a KO alright. But man that was bad sportsmanship. He's really adding fuel to the fire and is truely becoming the bad guy. (And by pulling this stunt he'll probably earn even more $$$ as now more people will want to see him KTFO)

I still have a hard time seeing how Ortiz lost this one. He was not prepared mentally for Mayweather. Also it seem's weird to me that he took Berto's bigass right hand in round six and was barerly hurt, yet could not get up from Mayweathers straight right?

So many comments about this card. It truely didn't live up to my expectations.

Last but not least. Merchant is an *******. I think it's good that you have commentators who's honest and stuff, but that last part was just embarrasing. Time to replace him PERMANENTLY with Max Kellerman.

 

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I hope this helps.

 

New People's Champ! :happy :deal :bbb :nut

Haven's seen the fight yet, I see it was a split call. Was it close/controversial or anything?

 

It was as close as expected, but not controversial... The crowd boo-ed, but that was probably only because they realized I (the mighty Robney) lost my "People's Championship" :bart

Congrats BB :good

edit: I had it 95-94 for Vargas as well.

 

Thx man. Another trophy to my collection, I'll put it between the KIRK 2009 Trophy and the stuffed Tackleberry.

 

:blabla 1-1 Good job!

 

Our H2H is like 8-1. Remember your avatars?

 

This is basically the extreme opposite of pac v mosley where the show of sportsmanship was embarrassing. Floyd was legal and within his rights and in a fight game where you've just been intentionally fouled i'd have done them same.

Cortez, putting two passionate guys infront of each other like that then turning away leaving ambiguity is shocking. He's made the hof he should bow out asap.

 

Bored of talking about last nights farce now.

All I know is in 2011 the so called big fights/names:

Mosley V Pacquaio
Mayweather V Ortiz
Haye V Klitschko
Alexander V Bradley
Khan V McClosky
Klitschko V Solis

have all sucked

Thank god for:

Old man Hopkins
Old man Morales
Sturm v Macklin - not the judges
Donaire

most of which were meant to be boring or has beens

 

Cortez became incapable a few years back. Upon hearing he was to ref this I said okay, I won't rant but see if he can prove me wrong - but oh how he failed! Not that what Floyd did was against the rules, but the referee must be very clear with his instructions, yet from Ortiz standpoint it looked like Cortez was still clearing things before giving a final go, while Floyd understood game is back on, so his pulled his trick. After the 1st punch Cortez was still looking away and only caught the 2nd blow. A Smoger or any ref of his caliber would've handled it better, like grab both fighters hands to touch up then separate them and call time in, hugging is done so back to the fight. Cortez was anything but clear.