I remember the story of the fight from some old friends Bummy was a tough street kid and Zivic a master of ring tricks as dirty as there was from laces to elbows,thumbs he was dirtier than Floyd,Lennox,Holyfields head and Holmes Thumb and Saddler and Pep and Marciano's elbows all wrapped in one. Zivic also had other skills obviously but Last nights fight had me thinking. First of all I don't know what made me think Ortiz had a chance based off Berto was it that Ortiz was that good or Berto that Bad...well in Berto's last fight he was going through a rough patch but the opponent suffered a cut and ended the bout and although Berto is an entertaining guy he was getting hit a little too often. As far as Ortiz I saw a lot of potential but did he overcome the Maidana quit, I bought into it after Berto but a different form of quitting emerged last night. Ortiz reminded me of Tyson vs Holyfield 2 when Mike was looking for an end but figured a DQ would keep him from losing face, ultimately Tyson gave up again VS Danny Williams and then McBride so it was something that lived in him. I for one do not like to knock a fighter because it takes balls just to enter the ring but there is a class that certain fighters show that emerges in the ring....Floyd has many skills and he showed his vicious nature (which is not a bad thing in boxing) As far as Ortiz what was he looking to gain but the crude head-butt with Cortez a DQ-quit and then how does he approach Floyd with his hands down. How does Cortez look the other way when he is supposed to make fighters touch gloves and how does Ortiz not pick up his hands after getting hit with a hook and allows the right to follow.... Strange circumstances but I do feel I duped myself and was duped by Cortez, and Ortiz as far as Money Mayweather he has great talent and ability and has lived up to his nickname $$$ money because he got me for $70 bucks last night but for all his money and cars and ability he cant buy class The nights winner was Larry Merchant who always calls it the way he see's it right or wrong but he has balls, as for me this may be the last Floyd fight I will buy and I will not watch a Ortiz fight again. Just blowing off steam but these things are not good for the sport.
Floyd Mayweather is representative of one of the chief reasons that I inhabit the world of the Classic forum...often at the whole expense of the current scene. I simply don't like mayweather, his personna, his actions, or anything else about him. His supporters can argue on about his merits and relative skills, they can even maintain...they can(!!)...about his superiority to other boxers, present and past (total bull****). His entire act..is demeaning to the great sport of boxing, and sort of mirrors the lack of class that typlifies the declining standards that we so readily accept as the norm today..not just in boxing, but in sports in general, showbiz types, politicians, etc.,..that bull**** scene of him confronting a 70 year old boxing commentator as he did..can you imagine even the most incendiary character of boxing 's past acting like that? Mayweather consistantly demonstrates that lack of class..the lack of discretion at every turn. I simply don't care about any of his fights..except for one, and that obviously being that inevitable showdown between him and his diatmetric , polar opposite, Manny Pacquiao, whom I hope thrashes him when they finally meet. Meanwhile, I continue to dwell in the Classic forum where the only Floyd I care to concern myself with is named Patterson..not Mayweather.
Mayweather's an *******. He's also hypnotically brilliant. I dislike him almost as much as I disliked Leonard who I also couldn't unglue my eyes form. Overall RC, he's a less offensive personality than Carlos Monzon.
Sugar Ray Robinson was definitely much more of a shithead than Mayweather. Langford and Dempsey were into whoring. Louis was unfaithful to his wife, and beat her. Mayweather's troubles and attitude are just so much more public.
I know he hasn't murdered anyone yet, lol...and there's nothing about Monzon's outside the ring personna that I like, though it's no surprise that I consider him the greatest middleweight champion of all time and one of the greatest fighters ever, period...but at least Monzon didn't communicate that thuggishness that he was capable of inside the ring..if anything he was a relatively clean, sportsmanlike fighter..he didn't engage in the type of cheap shots that Mayweather took last night. I prefer Monzon's cold aloofness to Mayweather's ghetto-thug behavior anytime.
Leonard's was a thoroughly likeable persona compared with Mayweather's..I wasn't his biggest fan, but I never had a problem accepting his greatness in the ring.
Nailed. He lives in a different time - that's the only diffeerence. I have no problem with that whatsoever - I just wanted to be sure we weren't boiling things down to some moral judgement here. One thing - what if he gets his ass kicked? What if Pacquiao, the consummate good guy, thrashes him? Because we are building up to one of the most monumental confrontations in boxing history now, should it come off....you'd be missing out an enormous build up.
My own personal opinion is to disagree. Mayweather is more honest about who he is. Leonard's "All American Smile" which he used (in connjunciton with absolutely wonderful boxing talents!) to make millions whilst pursuing one of the most disgusting litany of philandering and drug (not to mention people) abuse in the history of fights is the mother of all boxing-related hypocrisy to me. Mayweather might be a ****ing ******* but he stays true to himself. Maybe.
It's not like Pacquiao is the son of God reborn either. You should hear about some of the stories circulating about him and Cebu whores. He certainly isn't doing Jinkee any favors. The difference is he does it with a smile and the confused likability of a foreigner, and Mayweather does it with a faux rapper hood persona that you dislike as a conservative. And yes, I also think Mayweather is infinitely more honest than Leonard. Except for one thing. His own internal emotionality, sensitivity, and demons. That he keeps inside.
Oh no,..you'll look in vain if you're seeking a simon-pure, boy scout figure among the greats of boxing's past. Monzon was a bully, not just to women, but anybody so unlucky to be in his path, Liston was a monster, Tyson mugged old ladies, Robinson performed abortions on his wife (allegedly), and outside of Floyd Patterson (a true anomaly in boxing) and guys like Tommy Loughran and Tiger Flowers, you'd be truly hard pressed to reconcile your admiration of certain great fighters and their out of the ring misdeeds and exploits..oh hell no, we're not boiling it down to moral judgements..you're quite right about that..it's just a personal thing on my part. Yes, the difference that's easily percieved between Mayweather and Pac will be a huge selling point for their upcoming bout. In the ring as well as out of the ring differences..this fight will be HUGE...probably one of the biggest ever, even rivalling the FOTC, Ali-Frazier I.
That's a bit like looking at an attractive signboard on the highway that advertises a well known product..you may not be aware or even care about how ugly that signboard may look underneath the facade of that advertisement.