To those who say it wasn't a cheap shot... Wrong!

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  1. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    This is a sucker punch.

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    What Floyd did is not.
     
  2. NullpointerAlex

    NullpointerAlex Active Member Full Member

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    tftfy.

    For some reason, you failed to mention that he hit him with a sucker punch, which is exactly what makes it immoral. If you don't mention the sucker punch, then it makes it just another hit like any other one, and there's nothing immoral about it. What makes it immoral was that it was a cheap sucker punch.

    Same thing, except one happened after the fight, while Fraud's happened while touching gloves. One was legal, the other illegal, nobody is arguing that, but they were both sucker punches.

    Sucker punch: "An unexpected punch or blow"

    Ortiz wasn't expecting it because Fraud pretended to want to touch gloves before sucker punching him.
     
  3. bRoNeR**a**G

    bRoNeR**a**G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great knockout, Floyd a G.
     
  4. happylora

    happylora Member Full Member

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    Cheap shot maybe, but Ortiz had clearly gone insane and the ref had gone awol, don't blame FM for closing the show. Mismatch with a fun ending. Ortiz would have got badly busted up or dq'd if it had continued.
     
  5. Brady

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    I'd sure as hell knock the **** out of the guy who just head butted me.

    You folks let your hate of Floyd cloud your judgement.

    Any man with two nuts is going to go plum **** OFF on the guy who just head butted him. Take a cheap shot. Hell, maybe even kick his dog.

    You're making yourselves look like bitches who don't believe in getting revenge. All because you dislike a boxer.

    Dislike Floyd all you want, but be some ****ing MEN. Don't change your whole outlook on life just so you can go against Floyd Mayweather this one time.

    I know full well if I came and got up in your face and head butted you, and then began trying to hug you and apologize, you would take the first shot to knock my ****ing head off. ****, I would HOPE. That's the way **** is. The way a man OUGHT to be to sho he ain't gonna put up with bull****. I've never been a Floyd fan but life is life.
     
  6. Brady

    Brady Active Member Full Member

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    No ****. The sucker is the one standing there with his hands down. Nothing wrong with a sucker punch if the guy deserves it. And Ortiz did. I wanted him to win, even after the head butt, I'm thinking "Nice strategy!"

    Suddenly all the Floyd haters are the most honorable people in the world and are just APPALLED that Floyd would avenge an intentional headbutt!

    They're just full of **** though. They'd do the same thing OR wish they had the nuts to.
     
  7. Count Pacula

    Count Pacula Cashweight Thrillionaire Full Member

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    Ok. So they tapped gloves which at that point Vic should've backed off and be prepared to fight. Instead the blockhead continues to stare into space and not put his hands up to defend himself. Certain fighters are going to take advantage of every opportunity given to them even if it's not conducive to being pleasant. Maidana did something similar when he fought Khan who was quick enough to put his guard up. That's one of the big differences between success and failure. Be prepared, focused, and sharp!

    Why is Floyd getting crapped on when he's not the one who broke a rule? I honestly don't get it. Do you expect him to say, "Hey Vic, wake up, pay attention to me or else I'm going to hit you while you're unprepared"?? They are not close friends. They are there in the ring to hurt each other.

    Ridiculous.

    I like Vic as a person. He actually seems like a guy I'd hang out with. But being a ***** in the ring cost him that fight.
     
  8. NullpointerAlex

    NullpointerAlex Active Member Full Member

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    Alright, so answer this, asked in another thread:
     
  9. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Has Floyd ever cheated anyone out of a win ?? No He even went as far to grant the man a re-match not that the rematch will change anything .. Victor will get beat and earn another big pay day..

    Please you don't head butt a man during the fight, then take swing at him on the break , then want to engage in a love fest... Please Thats a contradiction in itself.

    That like me taking a cheap shot at you cause Im losing at checker and then open my arm up looking for some love after disrespecting you .. man Palease!!! be real and stop with the Disney ethical routine .. The only thing Vic is sorry for is that he got caught, had his attack been successful I can only guess what your reaction would be ..

    In fact, what would your reaction had been if vic had succeeded in landing a left on floyd after fouling him, and perhaps even KOing floyd .. would you be on your soap box then, screaming foul in floyd behalf for fairness ??
     
  10. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So your assumption is that Pac would not have retaliated after getting fouled .. even though you or anyone else have yet to seem in the type of predicament floyd was in last night.
     
  11. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The left right that Floyd landed wasn't a one-two...It was more like one *pause* two.

    Since Boxer's instincts are measured in terms of split seconds, that should enough time for him to do something aside from take a step back with his hands down while turning his attention to the official.

    There was a slight pause when Floyd pushed him back from the handshake, hug to create space needed to throw and land the hook. There was another brief pause between the first and second punch. Somewhere in there, you'd think a pro like Ortiz would be able to raise his hands, at the very least.

    This would be a different story had Ortiz dropped from one shot, like Alex Garcia did against Travis Simms a few years ago. (Even then, that was a legal KO). Still, I'd understand the uproar at least to some extent. But in this case, it's Ortiz's behavior that contributes as much to the result as Floyd's decision to throw the hook in the first place.
     
  12. NullpointerAlex

    NullpointerAlex Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not making, nor have I made any assumption. I asked a simple question. :roll: Which has yet to be answered might I note.

    Already answered this. He wasn't in a fighting stance, in his mind, he wasn't fighting at that moment, he was touching gloves, and in his naivety, in the 0.5s he had between the 1st sucker punch and the 2nd straight, didn't have enough time to realize that Fraud was actually attacking him and he should be defending himself.

    Also note that HE JUST GOT SUCKER PUNCHED: He just ATE A PUNCH, who knows what your state of mind is A FRACTION OF A SECOND AFTER GETTING PUNCHED IN THE FACE when you're not expecting it...

    Ortiz was at fault, for sure, but it was a sucker punch by Fraud, and the sucker punch (combo) ended the fight.
     
  13. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how can you answer something that has not happen yet ?.. Until we see pac in a situation where he is blatantly getting fouled, so we have no way of know how he will react .. So the question is not open for debate, nor can it be a measure of Floyd ethics compared to Pacs in the same situation.
     
  14. Brady

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    I've already said what any man with two nuts would do in that situation.

    It's a pretty remarkable situation. Not exactly something we can expect to see repeated ever. Guy headbutts, then wants to go on a love fest and, as one of the above posts points out, inexplicably refuses to raise his gloves in defense during a prize fight even after getting hit the first time. The whole thing is remarkable and is virtually 100% Vic's fault.

    I kind of agree with the one poster who pointed out that Floyd lost his cool, but I declare there are few among us who would not have lost our cool in that situation. And all of them are women. It wasn't ideal for Floyd, knowing the **** he will forever get for it, but he did nothing wrong.

    Should Pac face a dangerous opponent (dangerous because of the willingness to use his head in this case) who suddenly drops his defense, I am certain Pac would take the knockout. You might point to instances where Pac let off such as the Mosley fight, but Pac was in no danger in that fight.
     
  15. Ciaos

    Ciaos New Member Full Member

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    Been registered for a while but first post. Was watching this late last night in the UK and was pretty shocked at what Floyd did. However, rewatching it now, it seems that after touching gloves, Mayweather brought his hands up and Ortiz went in for a hug.

    Nothing to blame but Ortiz. Its a legal punch and Mayweather was well within his right to take it and KTFO Ortiz. That isn't to say it didn't leave a slightly sour taste in my mouth over the ending. Maybe I'm getting used to that whole touch gloves BS that goes on in the ring these days. You wouldn't see Eubank and Benn hugging each other.