The Fight Was Fixed

conraddobler · Sep 18, 2011

When things are truly "staged", people do not try and think up the most bizarre and unbelievable outcome imaginable. In fact, nobody would write last night's script. Why? Precisely because what happened last night is scarcely credible. It was too bizarre to be credible. Therefore, of course, it was all real (of course it was). Just like many other strange events in sporting history were real.

Do you think this was staged?

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Or this?

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JETSKI · Sep 18, 2011

IntentionalButt said: ↑

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Oh, PTP.

You talked up Ortiz as a dangerous challenger and now you're in denial.

Fixed? :rofl That particular pair of shots was MORE than enough to get rid of chinny Victor Ortiz. I guarantee you that factoring in the crispness with which Mayweather throws they were harder than ANYTHING Maidana or Berto ever caught him flush with.

The kid got knocked out. The **** out. Cope. :deal
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I swear I was thinking the whole thing was choreographed, too. Ortiz goes with the headbutt in the 4th, Cortez is looking for it, stops the action, Ortiz kisses & makes up, stand back, hands down, looks towards the ref & PBF picks 'em off.

:!:

David Fanning · Sep 18, 2011

PetethePrince said: ↑

In quite possibly one of the most bizarre boxing events I have ever seen. Ortiz catches Floyd with a decent right hook, flurries Floyd near the ropes, and Ortiz than proceeds to headbutt Floyd blatantly like a ram as if someone pushed headbutt on their xbox controller in Fight Night. Ortiz then, embarrassed like a child after knowingly doing what was wrong, precedes to kiss Floyd on the cheek. Then, they lightly touch gloves and move to the center of the ring. Then, Ortiz looks away from Floyd with his arms extended for a duration of 3-5 to seconds while walking to apologize to Floyd. Floyd snarls like he did in his WWE debut against Big Show, and unleashes a left hook right hand combination. Immediately before the punch, Ortiz is looking away to his right with Cortez, like an absolute zombie looking away to his left. Everyone is literally looking away from Floyd. WTF! Only Cortez glimpses the horror with his shell-shocked face to see a right hand land squarely on Ortiz.

I don't honestly believe it was enough for Ortiz to be knocked out. It was harder then when Floyd did the same to Mosley after Mosley wanted to touch gloves... of course Mosley was fine. At any rate, the right hand Berto landed on Ortiz seemed far more deadly, especially considering Berto's punching power. Ortiz crawls around on the floor weirdly, Tyson-esque against Douglas. Immediately when he gets counted out he's smiling. He doesn't look like a fighter who got knocked out. He's smiling, almost in a "Aww shucks" matter. Almost in a "Was my KOlbelievable." Floyd hasn't KOed an opponent since Ricky Hatton went into the turnbuckle. And even then the fighter wasn't out. The fighter got up, wobbled back after shots and the fight was stopped. Marquez said he was surprised by how light of a puncher Floyd Mayweather was. And this is an Ortiz that outweighed Floyd by 15 pounds. I can't remember the last time Floyd lights out an opponent. Regardless whether or not he was looking away. Why was he looking away, anyway?

Ortiz after the entire thing smiles as if nothing bad really happened. As if he has no real reason to not be pissed. I guess this guy really doesn't care. His interview is completely odd. His voice is at a high inflection, indicating that he's probably being dishonest. He says Floyd pushed him and so he headbutted him and that it looks intentional but it really wasn't intentional. Basically, the guy is just talking out of his ass. Floyd didn't push him. No one is calling anyone out on anything. He says he was looking at the ref when Floyd hit him. He wasn't, he was looking to his right and once Floyd hit him his eyes veered toward Cortez.

Floyd's interview with Merchant is almost as weird. Floyd basically blows up at Merchant for never giving him a fair shake. Merchant says if he was 50 years younger he would've kicked his ass. Wow, if this couldn't seem even seem more set up like the WWF.

And after all this. Ortiz is smiling like a kid that knows something we don't. Like a kid that just got a red bicycle from his father that DIDN'T leave. Ortiz and Floyd congratulate and Ortiz seems totally unbothered or unaffected. He's high fiving Floyd's team, smiling, talking about how the fans wanted to see something "fun" and he thinks they got that. What the ****? We wanted to see something fun. What is this chucky cheese? We wanted to see a good boxing fight. Danny Garcia is in the background grinning the entire time as if he just sold his soul to the devil for 100 million dollars. It's all so odd and none of it adds up.

Either we say one of the most bizarre things ever in boxing. A headbutt, from a truly mentally weak Ortiz after literally just catching Floyd with a decent right hook. Okay, his flurries were starting to miss and maybe that frustrated him. So Ortiz, this mental midget gets so frustrated he headbutts Floyd in a video game blatant way. Kissed Floyd on the cheek "Sorry bro." Touches gloves, and then proceeds to blindly try and hug him while Floyd sets up a 1-2 combination with Cortez conveniently looking away... OR this was setup by Floyd, Ortiz, and perhaps Cortez. The headbutt was a signal to set up the apology. The looking away from both Ortez and Cortez for oddly extended periods of time all occured for to Floyd to set up his left right combination were all perfectly placed for Ortiz to get knocked out. Ortiz stumbles like he's trying to get up but can't. Then once it's over its all huggy, kissy, grinning, and smiling. Maybe Ortiz got paid a little extra from Floyd so Floyd can preserve his 0 and make tons of cash only to retire again. Win win for everyone. Ortiz doesn't look too bad because he got cheap shotted, and Floyd gets paid, gets a win, and doesn't care about the extra damage to his already unfixable image.

Maybe this all sounds crazy. Maybe I've gone off the deep end. I've never ever thought a fight was set up or fixed in a regard like this. Nothing outside of crooked judging. But something didn't look right. This looked odd. It looked choreographed.

Here's one thing I can guarantee. Floyd will never ever ever face Pacquaio. He never will. And he is probably going to retire once again after we've all been had, and probably will never return again this time. Either way, all of this is a complete black eye to the sport of boxing. Once again...
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I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Don't Sleep · Sep 18, 2011

PetethePrince said: ↑

In quite possibly one of the most bizarre boxing events I have ever seen. Ortiz catches Floyd with a decent right hook, flurries Floyd near the ropes, and Ortiz than proceeds to headbutt Floyd blatantly like a ram as if someone pushed headbutt on their xbox controller in Fight Night. Ortiz then, embarrassed like a child after knowingly doing what was wrong, precedes to kiss Floyd on the cheek. Then, they lightly touch gloves and move to the center of the ring. Then, Ortiz looks away from Floyd with his arms extended for a duration of 3-5 to seconds while walking to apologize to Floyd. Floyd snarls like he did in his WWE debut against Big Show, and unleashes a left hook right hand combination. Immediately before the punch, Ortiz is looking away to his right with Cortez, like an absolute zombie looking away to his left. Everyone is literally looking away from Floyd. WTF! Only Cortez glimpses the horror with his shell-shocked face to see a right hand land squarely on Ortiz.

I don't honestly believe it was enough for Ortiz to be knocked out. It was harder then when Floyd did the same to Mosley after Mosley wanted to touch gloves... of course Mosley was fine. At any rate, the right hand Berto landed on Ortiz seemed far more deadly, especially considering Berto's punching power. Ortiz crawls around on the floor weirdly, Tyson-esque against Douglas. Immediately when he gets counted out he's smiling. He doesn't look like a fighter who got knocked out. He's smiling, almost in a "Aww shucks" matter. Almost in a "Was my KOlbelievable." Floyd hasn't KOed an opponent since Ricky Hatton went into the turnbuckle. And even then the fighter wasn't out. The fighter got up, wobbled back after shots and the fight was stopped. Marquez said he was surprised by how light of a puncher Floyd Mayweather was. And this is an Ortiz that outweighed Floyd by 15 pounds. I can't remember the last time Floyd lights out an opponent. Regardless whether or not he was looking away. Why was he looking away, anyway?

Ortiz after the entire thing smiles as if nothing bad really happened. As if he has no real reason to not be pissed. I guess this guy really doesn't care. His interview is completely odd. His voice is at a high inflection, indicating that he's probably being dishonest. He says Floyd pushed him and so he headbutted him and that it looks intentional but it really wasn't intentional. Basically, the guy is just talking out of his ass. Floyd didn't push him. No one is calling anyone out on anything. He says he was looking at the ref when Floyd hit him. He wasn't, he was looking to his right and once Floyd hit him his eyes veered toward Cortez.

Floyd's interview with Merchant is almost as weird. Floyd basically blows up at Merchant for never giving him a fair shake. Merchant says if he was 50 years younger he would've kicked his ass. Wow, if this couldn't seem even seem more set up like the WWF.

And after all this. Ortiz is smiling like a kid that knows something we don't. Like a kid that just got a red bicycle from his father that DIDN'T leave. Ortiz and Floyd congratulate and Ortiz seems totally unbothered or unaffected. He's high fiving Floyd's team, smiling, talking about how the fans wanted to see something "fun" and he thinks they got that. What the ****? We wanted to see something fun. What is this chucky cheese? We wanted to see a good boxing fight. Danny Garcia is in the background grinning the entire time as if he just sold his soul to the devil for 100 million dollars. It's all so odd and none of it adds up.

Either we say one of the most bizarre things ever in boxing. A headbutt, from a truly mentally weak Ortiz after literally just catching Floyd with a decent right hook. Okay, his flurries were starting to miss and maybe that frustrated him. So Ortiz, this mental midget gets so frustrated he headbutts Floyd in a video game blatant way. Kissed Floyd on the cheek "Sorry bro." Touches gloves, and then proceeds to blindly try and hug him while Floyd sets up a 1-2 combination with Cortez conveniently looking away... OR this was setup by Floyd, Ortiz, and perhaps Cortez. The headbutt was a signal to set up the apology. The looking away from both Ortez and Cortez for oddly extended periods of time all occured for to Floyd to set up his left right combination were all perfectly placed for Ortiz to get knocked out. Ortiz stumbles like he's trying to get up but can't. Then once it's over its all huggy, kissy, grinning, and smiling. Maybe Ortiz got paid a little extra from Floyd so Floyd can preserve his 0 and make tons of cash only to retire again. Win win for everyone. Ortiz doesn't look too bad because he got cheap shotted, and Floyd gets paid, gets a win, and doesn't care about the extra damage to his already unfixable image.

Maybe this all sounds crazy. Maybe I've gone off the deep end. I've never ever thought a fight was set up or fixed in a regard like this. Nothing outside of crooked judging. But something didn't look right. This looked odd. It looked choreographed.

Here's one thing I can guarantee. Floyd will never ever ever face Pacquaio. He never will. And he is probably going to retire once again after we've all been had, and probably will never return again this time. Either way, all of this is a complete black eye to the sport of boxing. Once again...
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Man, you need to become an author of fictional books. For you to come up with this conclusion based of the fight is mind boggling.:-(

Maybe Ortiz was smiling was becuase he just got knocked the f--k out and was embarassed in front of the world.atsch

He probaly hugged Mayweather b/c though he hit Money with a couple shot prior to the headbutt, it was obviious that he had no answer for him, so after resorting to an awful headbutt, he realized at that moment he was penalized for the headbutt, he physcologically lost the fight (if you understand the art of war , you know what I mean)

Comparing Berto's power to Floyd's doesn't make sense. Let me explain ... Berto is a brawler. He loves to exchange and puts 100% into every shot, so as the fight goes on, his punches normally have less of an impact becuase of all the energy expanded by power punches... Floyd on the other hand is a pure boxer (who can brawl when neccessary), which means he will systematically break you down until you give up mentally or physically (see bolded words in above post). And of course we know he is a defensive technician, so when Ortiz was missing his power punches (which were often) floyd continously countered him with straight rights. and anybody has boxed, sparred, etc.. can tell you, a counter punch that you don't see or are not ready for, can be just as powerful if not more powerful, than a telegraphed hayemaker.

People underate Floyd's power of course, but they also underrate his boxing IQ. Remember on "Face Off" Money told him, "If you make any mistakes you have to pay!"... Ortiz didn't protect himself (the mistake) and got knocked out (the pay) ... Love him or hate him, we are witnessing something truly remarkable from Floyd in this great sport all of us on ESB love!

To wrap this post up .... Maybe him and Pacquiao will never fight, and it would be dishearting if they didn't ... but to say that this fight was fixed becuase Ortiz lost his cool against an all time great is BS.:thumbsup

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Kalasinn · Sep 19, 2011

Pete, did you see how glassy-eyed Ortiz was? He was genuinely knocked out.

Kalasinn · Sep 19, 2011

Don't Sleep said: ↑

Man, you need to become an author of fictional books. For you to come up with this conclusion based of the fight is mind boggling.:-(

Maybe Ortiz was smiling was becuase he just got knocked the f--k out and was embarassed in front of the world.atsch

He probaly hugged Mayweather b/c though he hit Money with a couple shot prior to the headbutt, it was obviious that he had no answer for him, so after resorting to an awful headbutt, he realized at that moment he was penalized for the headbutt, he physcologically lost the fight (if you understand the art of war , you know what I mean)

Comparing Berto's power to Floyd's doesn't make sense. Let me explain ... Berto is a brawler. He loves to exchange and puts 100% into every shot, so as the fight goes on, his punches normally have less of an impact becuase of all the energy expanded by power punches... Floyd on the other hand is a pure boxer (who can brawl when neccessary), which means he will systematically break you down until you give up mentally or physically (see bolded words in above post). And of course we know he is a defensive technician, so when Ortiz was missing his power punches (which were often) floyd continously countered him with straight rights. and anybody has boxed, sparred, etc.. can tell you, a counter punch that you don't see or are not ready for, can be just as powerful if not more powerful, than a telegraphed hayemaker.

People underate Floyd's power of course, but they also underrate his boxing IQ. Remember on "Face Off" Money told him, "If you make any mistakes you have to pay!"... Ortiz didn't protect himself (the mistake) and got knocked out (the pay) ... Love him or hate him, we are witnessing something truly remarkable from Floyd in this great sport all of us on ESB love!

To wrap this post up .... Maybe him and Pacquiao will never fight, and it would be dishearting if they didn't ... but to say that this fight was fixed becuase Ortiz lost his cool against an all time great is BS.:thumbsup
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Well said. :good

guru059 · Sep 19, 2011

all it needed was twin referees, and Vince McMahon announcing with Jesse Ventura.

chitownfightfan · Sep 19, 2011

Ortiz was turning it on big time, had Mayweather hurt, was walking him down, then suiddenly.....headbutt.... then the BS cheapshot.

Then Merchant proceeds to KO FoneyMay.

Enjoy......while it lasts.
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chitownfightfan · Sep 19, 2011

I wish Larry was 50 yrs younger.......he probably woulda slapped May around if May was to disrespect him like that.:deal

liger05 · Sep 19, 2011

Mayweather wasnt hurt.

VivaNazVegas · Sep 19, 2011

Mayweather was never hurt.

iceferg · Sep 19, 2011

Ortiz hurt Mayweather there. That round would have seen him ahead on my card to (level with the deduction).

kommieforniaglo · Sep 19, 2011

The only time Ortiz hurt Mayweather was when he hit him with his head...Most of Ortiz shots while looked good to the non-boxing observer were missing, hitting air, I would be be very hard pressed to find a few that he actually landed..

Mayweather is still a chicken **** **** sucker but facts are facts, Martinez at 154 :happy

Thats a real ****ing fight, I have no interest in Pac

chitownfightfan · Sep 19, 2011

Mayweather has no intention of taking a chance in his career. He cheated to beat gatti, Castillo, Mosley, and now Ortiz(if it wasn't a set up anyways).

My guess is Floyd ducks Martinez, Khan, and Pac while sticking with GBP fighters who can be bought like Berto, Bradley etc.

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