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Agreed all over the place.

Somebody on general wrote "Floyd: 42-1. Owned by an 80-year-old."

 

...We just saw an 80-year-old man turn the tables on a young upstart last night. At least wait a few weeks before inviting the same.

 

What's your take on what happened last night?

 

I actually though Ortiz came off looking worse yesterday, the build up was how he was some inspiration to kids then he does that ridiculous head butt and claims it was an accident. Floyd is Floyd comes across like an ******* with massive insecurities but at least he doesn't try to be someone else.

 

- Ortiz is a young, young 24.

- The headbutt was bad, bad. He looked like Fireman Jim Flynn (may he rest in pieces) on Jack Johnson the way he billy-goated him. It's too bad, too, because he was landing a few good ones and was fighting him right when he got him on the ropes. It also showed that Floyd had, in fact, been getting to Ortiz before the fight. Ortiz's denial of same rang hollow.

- Ortiz apologed profusely and I do think he meant it. I remember a time he swore in an interview before Berto and apologized profusely then too, saying he wanted to be a role model. Ortiz is a pretty confused kid.

- He's so confused he forgot who the hell he was in the ring with. He very stupidly had his hands down and was looking at the ref while standing within reach of a guy who isn't exactly noble. I think that Ortiz heard the ref talking to the time keeper, and didn't realize that it was time to box. Floyd, being Floyd, saw an opportunity and took it. He doesn't exactly give a damn whether it's cheap or not.

- Ortiz has a "thug" in him and doesn't always make good decisions, obviously, but I think that Ortiz at least wants to be something better than he is. He's just unsure how to do it. He looks into the camera and smiles even after what happened -like De La Hoya did for years, driving me crazy. He talks like a brute to Berto because he thinks that's the way a fighter gets an edge. He says things that are decent things to say, but whether he understands what they mean are beyond me. Anyway, that's a difference between Floyd and him. Ortiz seems to be want to be someone better; And Floyd? Floyd happily wallows in his own feces and invites his fake friends to join him. And they do ...because dem feces is green!

- When Larry Merchant said he wishes he could "kick his a**"; he spoke on behalf of a generation that neither celebrates nor respects Floyd and the whole hip-hop caricature of African Americans.

- Cortez should consider retirement.

 

Stoney, you nailed it. Our culture as in boxing in general, is deteriorating
rapidly in leaps and bounds. Gangsta action is now the vogue,and a Joe Louis,a Floyd Patterson, an Alexis Arguello, are considered out of touch
nowadays. I see this more than most,as I recall civility and modesty was
what fighters strived for ,and the public demanded. Not for nothing do I try
to "defend" the "oldtimers". I was THERE. Your the best S.:good:good:good

 

Thank goodness for this.

I thought I was missing something when I thought I'd just witnessed one of the weakest dog acts I've seen in 20 years of following boxing and everyone on general was giving Floyd props and saying Ortiz was entirely at fault.

Now whether or not Floyd's pre,during,and post fight actions are emblematic of a new mindset in which a lack of decency,sportsmanship,modesty and respect are not just tolerated but applauded, I'm not sure.

But if you look at it this way, Mayweather was shockingly and confrontingly (justified or not) insulting and disrespectful towards his father, then he was disgustingly unsportsmanlike and opportunistic against a much younger and outmatched opponent, then rude and threatening towards an elderly man.

These actions basically trangress every rule of decency we're brought up with ie respecting your parents, your elders, showing sportsmanship etc, yet if you go onto general you can find at length, no shortage of posts not just justifying Mayweathers actions but bloody well approving of them.

If this is the way the future of boxing (and indeed society) is headed then you can ****ing take it.

 

Great post YG.:good:good:good

 

I don't have a problem with Mayweather's persona or who his fans are. My main problem with Mayweather is that he hasn't tested himself against the best his divisions have had to offer since moving up past 135. Then he tries to say the guys he has fought were the best and continues to claim GOAT.
He always has an excuse or rationale for how it's the other guy's fault they didn't fight, but when you start counting them up, and see that in the last 10 years, there is literally about 10 guys he could have fought that were better than anyone he actually did fight, and you begin to see the one common denominator is Floyd.
I can't imagine any other "best of their era" failing to fight so many of his top challengers and still continue to be called "best of his era".
Can you imagine JCC never fighting Whitaker, Rosario, Camacho, Mayweather etc..
Can you imagine SRL never fighting Hearns, Benitez, Duran etc..
You get my point.
If he would've proven himself by fighting the best 140 and 147 had to offer, I think people would be a lot more willing to put up with the bravado.