Measuring Manny Pt1: Has Pacquiao Skill, Opponent Selection Improved since Marquez?

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  1. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Not saying he hasn't improved..just saying TECHNICALLY HE IS NOWHERE NEAR FLOYDS LEVEL-THE VIDEOS SHOW THIS AND THIS WILL BE HIS DOWNFALL...

    PAC WILL FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND FLOYD..FLOYDS LONGER REACH AND SHARPER ACCURACY MIXED WITH HIS MUCH BETTER FOOTWORK SMELLS BAD NEWS FOR MANNY.
     
  2. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope, if someone on the level of Ortiz (who always squares up) can land on Mayweather what more with Pacquiao(who is faster puncher, throw from different angles, fast feet, more accurate puncher, better boxing skills etc). In their fight Mayweather throw one punch that lands on Ortiz, but it did not rattle Ortiz who proceed to counter Floyd and trapped him in the corner. We all know that Pac has superior chin than Ortiz, and can absorb punch better.
     
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    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Ortiz was not landing much man..that is not even debatable...IN FACT...HE MISSED 2 PUNCHES RIGHT BEFORE HE HEADBUTTED FLOYD...(SOURCE ON HIS LANDING PERCENTAGE IS FINAL PUNCH STATS.)

    YOUR SAYING HE DIDNT RATTLE ORTIZ...NEGATIVE..BUCKLED HIM TWICE IN THE 4TH..NOT VERY NOTICABLE BUT NONE THE LESS...ORTIZ BUCKLED.

    Also..those punches Floyd were landing were not designed to be KO punches..

    ACCURACY AND SHARPNESS OVER POWER ANYDAY.

    Try another approach with your argument...:deal:thumbsup

    Pac is not as good at taking angles as you think..heres a video to SHOW YOU WHAT I MEAN; THIS VIDEO SHOWS WHAT IM SAYING IN DETAIL...PAC HAS SOME OF THE SLOPPIEST FOOTWORK AND HAND MOVEMENT..HE ALSO DOES NOT KEEP HIS BODY AND LEGS IN A GOOD POSITION WHEN THROWING PUNCHES..VERY VERY SLOPPY.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtarrrx2fxq[/ame]
     
  4. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The point is he land, and lesser opponents have landed on Mayweather, So I am sure, Pacquiao(who is at different level) would not have trouble landing on Floyd.

    Yes Floyd hurt Ortiz a little bit, but those are not the punches that I am talking about. I am talking about where, Floyd punched him one time, and Ortiz proceed to counter and corner Floyd(landing punches). If Ortiz can do this to Floyd, there is no reason to not to believe that Pacquiao(who is at different level) will do the same more often, and landing more punches(which in my opinion are stronger punches).

    In fact I am very confident that Pac will beat Floyd, to bad the fight have not yet happen. It's on Floyd's hand now, Pac agreed to everything.
     
  5. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    My man..it doesn't work that way...HE LANDED..BUT LOOK WHAT YOUR SAYING....OF COURSE HE LANDED ON FLOYD..ITS BOXING MAN...SHANE LANDED BETTER SHOTS THAN ORTIZ AND FLOYD SHOOK THOSE OFF LIKE IT WAS NOTHING PLUS SHOWED HE WAS MOER VERSATILE THEN WE THOUGHT WHEN HE FOUGHT A "PERFECT TECHNICAL FIGHT GAME WHILE HURT." (MINUS ONE RIGHT HAND THAT BROUGHT HIS RIGHT FOOT IN FRONT OF HIS LEFT FOOT AFTER BEING TAGGED THE SECOND TIME)

    SORRY BRO...ORTIZ IS A MUCH DIFFERENT STYLE ALL TOGETHER..

    "WELL JMM WAS ABLE TO COUNTER PAC AND FLOYD IS A BETTER COUNTERPUNCHER/BOXER SO HE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT TO PAC TOO":!:

    STYLES MAKE FIGHTS..DOESN'T WORK LIKE HOW YOUR SAYING MAN..IM ALWAYS AT THE BOXING GYM AND WE DISCUSS THIS FIGHT...

    YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOT VERY GOOD...BUT HEY ITS YOUR OPINION..JUST BACKED BY WEAK FACTS IS WHAT IM SAYING.

    Also, aint sh!t in Floyds hands...PAC STILL HAS TO FIGHT JMM AND WIN..BALL IS IN PAC'S COURT NOT FLOYDS.
     
  6. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well it's your opinion that my argument is weak, so it is not a fact. In my opinion it's your argument which is weak. :good
     
  7. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    lol...ok ...do we start 6th or 7th grade tomorrow?

    CANT DEBATE ON THE VIDEO BRO..THAT IS WHAT IT IS..IF U DONT C IT...I DUNNO WHAT TO TELL U...

    THE VIDEO OWNS YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT...WHOOPS

    OWNED EM:deal
     
  8. randomwalk

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    The video was of Marquez not Floyd.
     
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    Ryan-C = Loser:rofl
     
  10. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup different style, JMM throws combination when he counter punch, while Floyd does not throw combination when he counter punch. Most of the time Floyd also retreat on straight line, while JMM at times side step. JMM avoid to be cornered, while you will see Floyd often being cornered and does not punch when cornered. :good
     
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    :patsch
     
  12. leone25

    leone25 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That one dimensional asian midget has no skills. But he need OSDT to fight the best fighter of all time floyd mayweather jr =)
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Simplistic stuff. There's a point in the styles, not so much about the argument against lesser opposition. Surely Pac has improved and is stronger and more lively. He'll be surprised when Pac stops Marquez. He keeps saying level of opposition as if Marquez wouldn't get killed by these guys. Marquez has the style and qualities to trouble Pac... sure. He also keeps referring to left hand leads as jabs...

    Also, the guys keeps talking about backpedaling. That's more of a cardinal sign. It's Marquez moving to the left and shifting Pac over, and not his backwards movement that's troubling him. The backward movement could get a lot of fighters in trouble but Marquez is such an apt counter-puncher that he can handle those moments, although he has far more successful when he shifts Pac's momentum rather than just backing up.
     
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    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    "Measuring Manny Pt1: Has Pacquiao Skill, Opponent Selection Improved since Marquez"

    Whos left? :huh
     
  15. blai213

    blai213 Active Member Full Member

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    funny how the *****s claim that pac is still just the same fighter from 10 years ago ...

    when their hero's main excuse for osdt was that how can this asian midget improve so much so late in his career ... lol