Morales Considered Shot at the Age of 29 Against Pacquiao

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Faerun, Sep 26, 2011.


  1. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The lenient use of the term "shot" once a popular boxer with a gigantic following loses makes me cringe to be honest. No athlete can possibly decline that shortly after one's prime was hardly 2 years ago (27 is considered the best age for sportsmen). When you nutjobs witness a decline in reflexes, handspeed, footspeed, punch resistance and skill (at the age of 29! :lol:) don't you think it's rather the opponent who has cracked your favourite fighter's code and thus bested him? How come Morales UDs Pac in March 2005 only to get stopped in January 2006 (mere 10 months later!) and demolished in November 2006?
    Is it the the wars Morales has been in before that softened him up? Well, he didn't look too soft fighting one-eyed against 80% KO-Maidana at 140 only months ago and considering how well for example Pacquiao is doing today I don't know if one can argue that Morales has a demanding fight style that drains him earlier than other boxers when Pacquiao is clearly the busier fighter in the ring and still doing...um...quite okay?
    I mean, even ATM Morales is just one year older than Mayweather - could you picture what Mayweather would do to him if they fought in 2011 at let's say 140?

    No, you don't get shot over night. It's too easy calling your favourite boxer shot once he loses only to argue that he would've won had the fight taken place a couple of years earlier. (Well in fact, he did win when they fought earlier but that seemed to be more of a 1 out of 10 thing than anything else) Same thing with Mike Tyson who allegedly forgot boxing in his mid-twenties :)lol:) in jail whereas Hopkins was held back of sharpening his skills in the amateurs because of jail time (his own fault obviously) and yet managed to focus on boxing IN prison only to become a pro boxer of legendary status.

    Again, you don't go to sleep and become a worse boxer the moment you wake up the next morning - some were just not as good as advertised (albeit not bad by any means, don't get me wrong).
     
  2. Arcane

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    Morales is shot and his performances against Raheem and Pacquiao 2 and 3 really showed what a terrible effect weight drain has on a fighter, but fair play to Raheem he let Morales come in over the agreed weight but it still wasn't enough and it showed Morales's best days were long behind him as Raheem managed to handle Morales with ease at times, then flash foward to the Pacquiao rematch....after failing to make the agreed upon 133lbs against Raheem he's kills himself to make 130lbs on two occasions even then in the first rematch he stayed competetive for the first half of the fight until his body gave up on on him and a younger Pac moved in for the kill, then their 3rd fight @ 130 he got blown away at this point everyone knew Morales was finished.
     
  3. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    The term "Shot" is massively overused on here.

    As are the terms - Drained, Bloated, Hyped in order to discredit victories.
     
  4. Arcane

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    Barrera has two wins over Morales and no one ever says the result would have been different had they fought years earlier. Morales burned out quick fact, he could have extended his career had he moved up to 135lb right after the first Pacquiao fight but he didn't and he payed for it.
     
  5. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal
     
  6. killuminix

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  7. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree on that but that's another case. Bowe balooned up to 250 when he should have stayed 225-235. Morales did not gain weight though a poster on here says he should have.
     
  8. killuminix

    killuminix yes im back Full Member

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    i dont believe morales was shot thats like saying b-hop was shot against calzaghe
     
  9. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Right, Hopkins was not shot and hell, he still isn't although he'd have a better claim at 46yo than Morales or Tyson.
     
  10. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Shot and past prime is just excuses fans like to use to deny the fact that their fighter lost to the better fighter.
     
  11. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree.
     
  12. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    In *******ia no one is ever shot unless they fight Mayweather (mosley) but if they fight Pacquiao they're primed and ready to go right? :nut:hi:
     
  13. killuminix

    killuminix yes im back Full Member

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    well time will tell
     
  14. The Prince

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    I agree. It's like people saying Kevin Kelley was shot after he was defeated by Naz even though he was undefeated :patsch
     
  15. GDG

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    Except he'd already lost to Gonzalez!!!:patsch:patsch:patsch

    Also, to the OP...."shot" has nothing to do with age so I'm not sure why you're bringing up Hopkins!?! Sometimes fighters just don't have it anymore, the same happens in a lot of sports.

    Whilst I agree it's over-used, it is certainly not an idiotic sentiment.