Wlad is not a top 20 HW, he has never beaten anyone of significance

He could be argued inside a top 20. I don't think he's a shoo-in for it though.

 

Jealous of their success & downright pissed off that they keep winning when all the haters always pick them to lose, or they just disparage the competition in advance to minimize the impact of their inevitable win.

I'm noticing a trend of haters making ridiculous threads & silly claims........................have you noticed that as well? I mean Koman is responsible for about half of them but there are other fools too.

 

Your post was pretty much spot on. If he was really saying your post was outlandish.............

Let me add that Wlad has given quite a few undefeated fighters their first loss, and he's given a few knockouts of previously never KO'd fighters. That combined with unification under very tough climate given the politics of today make Wlad a Top 12-15 All Time Heavyweight based on resumé alone. He's more like Top 5 based on head to head.

 

Even though it's a weak era for heavyweights and he has had setbacks, the Wlad has shown skills, power, and fortitude bouncing back from devastating ko losses. He's beaten every ranked heavyweight easy. What else could he do? There's no hot tub high machine to go back and fight Ali, Louis, Foreman, etc.

He's easy top 20, probably top 15 along with Vitali.

 

Sorry for the confusion. I meant that his post was outlandish. Not yours. I was actually trying to say that your rebuttal carried more weight than an interested party. Guess my sentence structure wasn't too articulate

 

Thank you I guess I misunderstood.

Yeah i'm no fan of wlad's (nor any active boxer truth be told) but his legacy certainly holds up as a top 20 hw and even top 15 imo.

 

And yet another K2 thread by Koman. Dude, you're an obsessed homosexual GTFO!

 

Yup, of course, Ezzard makes my top 10 p4p list as well. But I feel both Charles and JJW should be above him based on resume. Both beat each other twice, Ezzard beat an old Louis and took Rocky the distance, beating Maxim, Bivins and Elmer Ray, and Jersey would have beaten Marciano if he ran for the last three minutes, he definitely should have gotten the nod against Lious 1st time around, and he also beat Bivins, Ray and Maxim.

While Wlad has dominated, he is missing these marquee names on his resume (obviously no fought of his own). But I cant rate someone highly if they dont have those names on their resume.

 

Wlad isnt even a top 20 boxers named Wlad. I am sure you can find somebody named Wlad who is better than him. His whole career is based on him beating guys who are smaller them or are past their primes. So many boxers could of held on for the title for years if they did what Wlad does. Foreman, Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield could of all held the title 5 plus years fighting nobodies. But these people chose to fight people who fought back and lost so they get critized for losing.

 

It swings in roundabouts doesn't it.

Until full footage of the louis-walcott fight appears I won't call it a robbery, also he did lose the rematch.

My main criteria is how long the hw was the best in their division. For joe and charles this is limited to just over a year. For wlad we're on 6 years running.

Beating bivins, maxim and ray at hw is great but wlad has beaten byrd, chag and iggy who were ranked about similar.

I don't put emphasis on whether an era was considered strong or not. Beating the contender in any era is about equal imo.

 

I'm sorry but Bivins, Maxim and Elmer Ray should all be rated ahead of Byrd, Chag and Iggy. Bivins should be considered one of the greatest fighters never to hold a world title, and Ray was a huge banger.

I can concede your pessimistic view about Jersey-Louis, if you haven't seen the full fight you can't give a complete judgement. But we can go by official newspaper reports (who suggested Jersey won). We can also go by the official footage of the crowd reaction (loud booing can be heard when Louis was given the nod). We can also see Joe Louis dejectedly trying to leave the ring before the results were announced, only to be convinced otherwise by his trainer.

I can see your argument about Louis having won the rematch, but is this a testament to how great JJW was? It took the great Joe Louis 22 rounds to put him away don't forget.

As for Charles, he beat Jersey Joe twice, and a very old Louis by practical shutout (can we count that win? Perhaps not, but I'm making a point ) he also pushed Rocky hard the first time, and almost stopped him in the second fight with 'that cut'.

Personally, Wlad doesn't get a fair crack at the whip for me. He is a very good, effective heavyweight, albeit in a **** poor era. Would he have caused the likes of Ali, Louis, Lewis, Foreman, Johnson Holmes, Tyson, Frazier, or even Jersey Joe or Charles? Personally I don't think so (with the exception of Johnson). Top 15 HW for me nonetheless, but I can't have him higher than that. But it is still a remarkable achievement.

 

This is a troll thread unless the thread starter posts his list of 20 HW fighters with better legacy, dominance and overall career than Wlad.

 

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Of course it is. But there's so many of these useless troll threads on the general, we might as well have some propa discussion about boxing.

 

Bivins is one of the greatest of that group, no doubt. But you can only fight the best around and as a hw wlad has been more successful over more years than they were.

Not pessimism at all, I go by official results unless there's enough evidence to counter the claim.

What attests to jersey's legacy is what he did in his career as a hw and for me he didn't do as much.

We'll never know how wlad would do in another era; we just know how he's done in his and for the last 6 years he's dominated.