The 5 best wins of these boxers and rank them based on this

Good thread! Don't really have time to post on it now, but hopefully I'll get back to it.

 

RJJ: Toney, Hopkins I, Griffin II, Hill, Ruiz

Toney was a great win, Hopkins was a great win, and Griffin II was an impressive revenge win. Likewise, the Hill KO was really impressive, and moving up to easily beat Ruiz was impressive too. Ruiz gets the nod over McCallum due to McCallum being 40 by the time RJJ got to him.

DLH: Trinidad, Mosley II, Whitaker, Chavez I, Vargas

Whitaker was an ugly, close win for DLH, but still impressive because it was Whitaker. In my book, DLH clearly beat both Trinidad and Mosley the second time and inexplicably lost to both guys. Chavez, while a bit faded, was a big deal because of how quickly and easily he did it, and the Vargas fight was a big achievement because DLH beat a very good fighter who was bigger than him and on roids at the time (points to DLH for beating a BALCO enhanced Mosley, too, even if the judges thought otherwise.)

PBF: Corrales, Castillo II, Judah, DLH, Hatton

Floyd took on and destroyed an unbeaten Corrales, who was a giant at Super Featherweight and was knocking everyone out at the time. Castillo II was a great win after avenging what was, in my view, a close loss to Castillo the first time around. Floyd deserves credit for immediately getting back in the ring with Castillo and leaving no doubts. Welterweight was weak at the time, but he convincingly beat one of the best available at the time in Judah. DLH may have been old and past his best, but he still had a bit left in the tank and was by far the bigger man on the fight. It was close, but Floyd beat him clearly. Hatton was unbeaten, and even if it wasn't his best weight, its still a better win than the ancient Mosley win.

Pac: Barrera I, Marquez II, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito

Barrera was the man at featherweight when Pac beat him. No one can take that away from him. Marquez II was a close fight that Pac barely edged, and was Marquez at a weight he was good at, at a time when Pac was having trouble making 130. I remember people thinking the Hatton fight would be competitive and Pac would only get a late, hard stoppage. Instead he annihilated the best guy at 140. Cotto was an impressive victory, and it was a rare sight to see Pac unleash a ferocious beatdown on a man so much bigger than him in Margarito. Margarito makes the cut over the Morales wins and DLH because both Morales and DLH were quite drained/old when Pac got to them.

Whitaker: Nelson, Chavez, Ramirez II, Vasquez, Hurtado

Nelson was a prime, great lightweight who Whitaker beat clearly. He easily beat Chavez, too, and Ramirez the second time (again) to rectify him losing that robbery to him the first time. Vasquez was an impressive win given the size disparity, and Hurtado was also a nice win, with an aging Whitaker coming back in a fight I had him losing to get the stoppage over a worthy, much younger opponent.

Hearns: Cuevas, Duran, Leonard II, Benitez, Hill

Hearns wrecking Cuevas to get the WBA belt was an emphatic win. His destruction of Duran remains one of the most savage KOs any ATG has ever suffered in my view, and it's not like Duran was washed up at the time. He won Leonard II in my view (and that of Leonard himself), and scored a win over a great fighter in Benitez. The Hill win was big because of Hearns' age at the time and how far north it was of his best work.

If I'm rating these guys, my order is:

1: Hearns (best names, by a long shot)
2: RJJ (two greats in Toney/Hopkins, all emphatic wins)
3: DLH (some big names, but aside from Trinidad no prime great)
4: Whitaker (The win over the unbeaten Chavez claims this spot)
5: Pac (whaling on bigger guys is impressive and all, but his very best win was still Barrera in my mind)
6: Floyd (As great a fighter as he is, he just hasn't always faced the best guys available or taken many risks later in his career. Most people thought Pacquiao would lose to most of his bigger opponents until after he beat them, when suddenly it was made out that he was always going to win by domination. So Pac at least WAS taking some risks.)

 

This might take me a while, so I'll just focus on one

Calzaghe: Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Bika

 

Judah had just lost to old zombie Baldomir, and instead of taking on the WBO (or WBC cant remember)ranked number one contender in Antonio Margarito, he fought the LOSER of the Baldomir v Judah fight.

Pathetic.

 

I'm not a fan of Floyd either. Shows you how weak his resume is that that one of his best wins. Baldomir was an inferior fighter to Judah, Judah had an off night. I said he was "one of" the best available, by no means the best. Which isn't saying much. Judah was still top 5 in the division at the time, though, but that's all that can be said of him.

 

Not a bad breakdown, But I think you are rank ODLH accomplishments to heavily. Pernell was on drugs at the time (and did enough to win IMO). SSM won that second fight. Vargas made his name by losing to winky . . . but was still a good win. Because of all of that I would flip spots between Oscar and Pernell

 

Judah ain't one of floyd's best wins.

Floyd 5 looks like this.

Coralles, Genero Hernandez, Castillo, Hatton, Del la Hoya

 

When you run from somebody, literally in the 12th you have no right to complain about a robbery. DLH lost to Trinidad.

Kessler,Eubank,Hopkins,Bika,Lacy in that order from the ones you listed

 

Pernell Whitaker: 1)Chavez (one of the worst robberies ive seen)
2) Nelson, 3) Ramirez II (avenged loss) 4) Vasquez 5) Roger Mayweather.

Floyd Mayweather: 1) Corrales 2) De La Hoya 3) Hatton 4) Mosley 5) Castillo II (my personal favorite Mayweather performance was against Gatti)

Thomas Hearns: 1) Duran 2) Benitez 3) Cuevas 4) Hill 5) Leonard II (even tho result was a draw i felt Hearns should have got the decision)

Roy Jones Jnr: 1) Toney 2) Ruiz 3) Hopkins 4) Griffin II 5) Hill

Manny Pacquiao: 1) Barrera 1 2) Morales II 3) Marquez II (close decision could of gone either way) 4) Cotto 5) Hatton

Oscar De Le Hoya: 1) Vargas 2) Whitaker 3) Chavez 4) Trinidad 5) Mosley II

 

I never understood why everyone rates that win high, Eubank was nowhere near his prime, he wasnt to old years wise, but had alot of wars in the ring and he simply wasnt even close to his prime!!!

 

Whitaker: Chavez, Nelson, McGirt I, Vasquez, Ramirez II.

Jones: Toney, Hopkins I, Ruiz, Hill, Tarver I.

Hearns: Duran, Hill, Benitez, Cuevas, Andries.

Pacquiao: Barrera I, Cotto, Morales II, Marquez II, Hatton.

De La Hoya: Trinidad, Vargas, Whitaker, Chavez I, G. Hernandez.

Mayweather: Coralles, Castillo II, G. Hernandez, De La Hoya, Hatton.


P4P, how I rank them all time:

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Roy Jones Jr
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr
6. Oscar De La Hoya

 

I would quibble with a couple of the best win inclusions, but in general I agree with this post. I certainly agree with the order of the fighters, in terms of greatness 1-6.

 

Jones: Toney, Hopkins I, Ruiz, Hill, Tarver I
Pacquiao: Barrera I, Cotto, Marquez II, Hatton, Morales II
Whitaker: Chavez, Nelson, Vasquez, Ramirez II, DLH
Hearns: Cuevas, Duran, Hill, Benitez, Leonard II
Mayweather: Corrales, Hernandez, Castillo I, Hatton, DLH
De la Hoya: Vargas, Quartey, Trinidad, Mosley II, Chavez I

Kinda tough ranking them amongst each other, except for Jones of course :yep

2-4 are interchangeable, 5-6 are interchangeable. Being last is not a bad thing, these guys are among the best of the best.

My main criteria as follows in order and not mutually exclusive:
1) impressive performance or KO against top level opposition
2) odds breaking win
3) showed something unique in that fight (weight jump, drained but still won, busted hand, etc)
4) solid win

Took a bit away from big fights if:
1) Controversial robbery
2) Flat-out robbery
3) Controversial decision
4) Circumstances surrounding the fight holding significant effect