Ortiz still hasn't learned his lesson

timmyjames · Sep 29, 2011

he needs to make like a tree and bark...errr, branch....um....

PBFred · Sep 29, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

I never mentioned the way the fight ended in my posts on this particular thread.

Who would you suggest Floyd fights next?

History has shown that he will not fight Pac...

So who then and when?
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Floyd's only fights right now are Pac at 147 or Martinez at 154.

If Khan gets by Peterson and someone like Berto or Ortiz early next year, then he will be a legitimate opponent (but easy win for FMJ).

Floyd's next fight is a big one.

HENDO · Sep 29, 2011

PBFred said: ↑

Floyd's only fights right now are Pac at 147 or Martinez at 154.

If Khan gets by Peterson and someone like Berto or Ortiz early next year, then he will be a legitimate opponent (but easy win for FMJ).

Floyd's next fight is a big one.
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Although, I disagree with Khan being an "easy" win, I do hope that Floyd's next fight will be a big one; however, I think he may have reservations considering his last fight.

It would not surprise me to see him go back into retirement.

In addition, both Pac and Martinez need to win their next fights.

millertime1367 · Sep 29, 2011

BigReg said: ↑

Here's his latest statement;

"The reason I want the rematch is not for the money, but for the integrity, the dignity and the honor of our sport and for the fans. If Floyd Mayweather wants to give me the rematch, then I will be waiting for him with open arms."

Damnit Victor, waiting for Mayweather with open arms is how you got your ass knocked out the last time.atsch
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:dealhahaha

PBFred · Sep 29, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

Although, I disagree with Khan being an "easy" win, I do hope that Floyd's next fight will be a big one; however, I think he may have reservations considering his last fight.

It would not surprise me to see him go back into retirement.

In addition, both Pac and Martinez need to win their next fights.
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He's been quite clear that he is not going into retirement or taking any sort of break. After DLH, Hatton, Mosley he was clear on his intentions. This time, he wants to fight.

Assuming he doesn't go to jail, he will fight on May 5, 2012 against Pac or Martinez.

Get your room booked at the MGM early.

Don't Sleep · Sep 29, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

That's because he was confident, and he was whupping Mayweather's ass.

Mayweather made both tactical and fundamental errors that were likely going to cost him the fight.

It's possible that Mayweather's demeanor affected Ortiz psychologicaly and made him feel if as if he wasn't doing any damage, and the headbutt could be considered evidence of this, but now that he's seen the replay, he knows that he was hurting Mayweather and he knows that in a rematch, he will knock Mayweather out.

Ortiz was beggining to time Mayweather, he was conservative with his attack, he put together an excellent body attack, he was countering Mayweather, and he was causing Mayweather to make mistakes.

With the exception of the long combination Mayweather threw where he missed the majority of his punches, Mayweather was relatively one dimensional in this fight offensively, and Ortiz was starting to take away his weapons.

Mayweather was throwing his punches short and Ortiz made adjustments to where many of them would graze the top of his head, or when they did land clean mostly hit his forehead.

Meanwhile, Mayweather abandoned his body attack, wasn't using his legs enough, throwing far more punches than Ortiz, often power shots, and many times missing, and was taking more and more punishment from his younger adversary.

Ortiz size and strength, and body attack combined with Mayweather tactical error's, rustiness, and inability to hurt Ortiz, was causing Mayweather to weaken.

It was only a matter of time with those tactics that eventually Ortiz would catch up to Mayweather and hammer him out or beat the **** out of him.

Either way, Mayweather's chances of winning that fight were diminishing, as was his power because of his workrate, amount of missed punches, and amount of power shots he threw, combined with the body attack Ortiz was having success with.

It was Mayweather that was going to weaknen. Not Ortiz.

You can only speculate that Mayweather would grow stronger because that's what he's done in the past, but there have been many undefeated fighters in history that have been put in a situation where the opposite of what usually happens, occurs.

So the real lesson is, Mayweather had NO INTENTION of giving him a rematch.

ORTIZ WILL BEAT THE **** OUTTA MAYWEATHER if they get a REMATCH and MAYWEATHER KNOWS THIS.

Now, if somehow Mayweather pulls of a Castillo 2 and gets past Ortiz again, he gets a lot of props...

But Floyd's legs don't APPEAR to be what they used to be.

He's very lucky he didn't get knocked out. God apparently has something else planned for him.

But it's not looking good for Mayweather if we can use history as a judge. He has too many "yes" men in his crew. They won't tell him when he's slipping up because they have no clue.

Only his father was trying to speak out...and you see what happened there.

Floyd may very well be finished as a TOP FIGHTER.

Unless of course that was just a bad showing...

Anyway, expect him to take a vacation, and avoid Pac, Martinez, and Ortiz...

If he fights anyone, it will be Khan.
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You hate Floy don't you?

HENDO · Sep 29, 2011

Don't Sleep said: ↑

You hate Floy don't you?
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No.

If you disagree with what I'm saying though, that's fine.

bballchump11 · Sep 29, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

That's because he was confident, and he was whupping Mayweather's ass..
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everybody just ignore HENDO for now long when talking about this fight

megavolt · Sep 29, 2011

BigReg said: ↑

He claims he'll fight Mayweather again for free.
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wat

BigReg · Sep 29, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

That's because he was confident, and he was whupping Mayweather's ass.

Mayweather made both tactical and fundamental errors that were likely going to cost him the fight.

It's possible that Mayweather's demeanor affected Ortiz psychologicaly and made him feel if as if he wasn't doing any damage, and the headbutt could be considered evidence of this, but now that he's seen the replay, he knows that he was hurting Mayweather and he knows that in a rematch, he will knock Mayweather out.

Ortiz was beggining to time Mayweather, he was conservative with his attack, he put together an excellent body attack, he was countering Mayweather, and he was causing Mayweather to make mistakes.

With the exception of the long combination Mayweather threw where he missed the majority of his punches, Mayweather was relatively one dimensional in this fight offensively, and Ortiz was starting to take away his weapons.

Mayweather was throwing his punches short and Ortiz made adjustments to where many of them would graze the top of his head, or when they did land clean mostly hit his forehead.

Meanwhile, Mayweather abandoned his body attack, wasn't using his legs enough, throwing far more punches than Ortiz, often power shots, and many times missing, and was taking more and more punishment from his younger adversary.

Ortiz size and strength, and body attack combined with Mayweather tactical error's, rustiness, and inability to hurt Ortiz, was causing Mayweather to weaken.

It was only a matter of time with those tactics that eventually Ortiz would catch up to Mayweather and hammer him out or beat the **** out of him.

Either way, Mayweather's chances of winning that fight were diminishing, as was his power because of his workrate, amount of missed punches, and amount of power shots he threw, combined with the body attack Ortiz was having success with.

It was Mayweather that was going to weaknen. Not Ortiz.

You can only speculate that Mayweather would grow stronger because that's what he's done in the past, but there have been many undefeated fighters in history that have been put in a situation where the opposite of what usually happens, occurs.

So the real lesson is, Mayweather had NO INTENTION of giving him a rematch.

ORTIZ WILL BEAT THE **** OUTTA MAYWEATHER if they get a REMATCH and MAYWEATHER KNOWS THIS.

Now, if somehow Mayweather pulls of a Castillo 2 and gets past Ortiz again, he gets a lot of props...

But Floyd's legs don't APPEAR to be what they used to be.

He's very lucky he didn't get knocked out. God apparently has something else planned for him.

But it's not looking good for Mayweather if we can use history as a judge. He has too many "yes" men in his crew. They won't tell him when he's slipping up because they have no clue.

Only his father was trying to speak out...and you see what happened there.

Floyd may very well be finished as a TOP FIGHTER.

Unless of course that was just a bad showing...

Anyway, expect him to take a vacation, and avoid Pac, Martinez, and Ortiz...

If he fights anyone, it will be Khan.
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This is one of your more deluded posts, and that's saying a lot.

mancat · Sep 29, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

That's because he was confident, and he was whupping Mayweather's ass.

Mayweather made both tactical and fundamental errors that were likely going to cost him the fight.

It's possible that Mayweather's demeanor affected Ortiz psychologicaly and made him feel if as if he wasn't doing any damage, and the headbutt could be considered evidence of this, but now that he's seen the replay, he knows that he was hurting Mayweather and he knows that in a rematch, he will knock Mayweather out.

Ortiz was beggining to time Mayweather, he was conservative with his attack, he put together an excellent body attack, he was countering Mayweather, and he was causing Mayweather to make mistakes.

With the exception of the long combination Mayweather threw where he missed the majority of his punches, Mayweather was relatively one dimensional in this fight offensively, and Ortiz was starting to take away his weapons.

Mayweather was throwing his punches short and Ortiz made adjustments to where many of them would graze the top of his head, or when they did land clean mostly hit his forehead.

Meanwhile, Mayweather abandoned his body attack, wasn't using his legs enough, throwing far more punches than Ortiz, often power shots, and many times missing, and was taking more and more punishment from his younger adversary.

Ortiz size and strength, and body attack combined with Mayweather tactical error's, rustiness, and inability to hurt Ortiz, was causing Mayweather to weaken.

It was only a matter of time with those tactics that eventually Ortiz would catch up to Mayweather and hammer him out or beat the **** out of him.

Either way, Mayweather's chances of winning that fight were diminishing, as was his power because of his workrate, amount of missed punches, and amount of power shots he threw, combined with the body attack Ortiz was having success with.

It was Mayweather that was going to weaknen. Not Ortiz.

You can only speculate that Mayweather would grow stronger because that's what he's done in the past, but there have been many undefeated fighters in history that have been put in a situation where the opposite of what usually happens, occurs.

So the real lesson is, Mayweather had NO INTENTION of giving him a rematch.

ORTIZ WILL BEAT THE **** OUTTA MAYWEATHER if they get a REMATCH and MAYWEATHER KNOWS THIS.

Now, if somehow Mayweather pulls of a Castillo 2 and gets past Ortiz again, he gets a lot of props...

But Floyd's legs don't APPEAR to be what they used to be.

He's very lucky he didn't get knocked out. God apparently has something else planned for him.

But it's not looking good for Mayweather if we can use history as a judge. He has too many "yes" men in his crew. They won't tell him when he's slipping up because they have no clue.

Only his father was trying to speak out...and you see what happened there.

Floyd may very well be finished as a TOP FIGHTER.

Unless of course that was just a bad showing...

Anyway, expect him to take a vacation, and avoid Pac, Martinez, and Ortiz...

If he fights anyone, it will be Khan.
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Are you joking?

mancat · Sep 29, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

Honestly, against the big three, (Martinez, Ortiz, Pac) if Mayweather's last fight was any indication, his best chance is against Pac because he is significantly smaller than the other two.

HOWEVER, if Mayweather can't hurt Pac, and his legs aren't what they used to be...

Pac eventually will corner Floyd, put him on the ropes, and nail him with combinations as he bounces in and out until Mayweather gets the beating of a lifetime.

This is why the risk is probably too high for Mayweather. He realized against Ortiz that he couldn't hurt him, and this, as well as Ortiz being able to land punches and making Floyd run out of ideas, likely affected Floyd psychologicaly.

He realizes that he's human now...

This could go two ways...

He could use this to get better and maybe get his father back on the team or he can continue with his ways and eventually take a beating of a lifetime unless he chooses to retire or avoids the three fighters I mentioned.

His best bet is to stick to Khan, but Khan has proven to be a relatively difficult adversary.

At this stage in Floyd's career, Khan is no easy task.
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Spin doctor.

MetalMandible · Sep 29, 2011

Nobody cares anything about seeing that Glass Hearted, Glass Jawed Fraud get his Fragile Glass Mandible shattered by Money for a second time. He's one of the biggest China Chinned Hype Jobs in boxing and he'd do best to retire and stop bringing disgrace upon the sport. I mean, he is too young to get beat up like that, and all.

HENDO · Sep 29, 2011

BigReg said: ↑

This is one of your more deluded posts, and that's saying a lot.
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The only thing that's deluded is your ability to comprehend what was going on in the ring.

This is more apparent by the fact that you have Mayweather as the #1 ATG.

This shows clear bias which may be why you failed to note the shortcomings in Mayweather's strategy, fundamentals, and ability.

You have Mayweather over Robinson? Ridiculous.

Robinson, on top of his incredible skills, excellent resume, and impossible record, could crack with both hands and turn your lights out.

Lance_Uppercut · Sep 29, 2011

BigReg said: ↑

Here's his latest statement;

"The reason I want the rematch is not for the money, but for the integrity, the dignity and the honor of our sport and for the fans. If Floyd Mayweather wants to give me the rematch, then I will be waiting for him with open arms."

Damnit Victor, waiting for Mayweather with open arms is how you got your ass knocked out the last time.atsch
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Nice one Reg!!

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