Bas Rutten vs Wanderlei Silva

you are detracting a little from rutten's power....the guy was a beast...not to mention he was blasting guys with open hand strikes

 

There are this many of you taking Bas with no problems? Give me a break. I have a lot of respect for Bas, and his knowledge, but what has he done in mma to make Wanderlei a no brain win for El Guapo? Wanderlei has wins over Sakuraba, Jackson, Henderson, and Arona. Wanderlei more than proved himself in this sport. Silva is in the running for best ever at 205.

It's hard to judge respective highlights, because Rutten was held to different rules in most of his.

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Even if their stand-up is even, Wanderlei will be in a different league on the ground. After watching Royce vs Shamrock I, everyone has to acknowledge the gap in submission fighting concerning a bjj practitioner against another style. Now everyone does bjj.

 

wandy sucked on the ground....he just sat in guard...would try and armbar....give up...sit in guard


i like wandy a lot, but bas beats him at his own game

 

How many times, in 46 fights, has Wanderlei lost by submission? None is the answer.

How many times have you seen Wanderlei out wrestled?

Bas has no significant advantages over Wanderlei, and is far less proven in mma.

 

bas hit harder, kicked harder, had a better chin, and better subs...wandy was a beast, but bas more of a beast

it's not a slight on wandy, its just the way it is

 

He had better subs? Are you basing this on his performances against non bjj guys? BJJ was the wake up call of the 90's.

Better Chin? Based on being hit open handed instead of with a closed fist. I don't think Bas had a bad chin, but it wasn't tested against the same stuff Wanderlei faced.

Wanderlei is way more proven. That is the way it is.

 

bas also had muay thai xp...and how many guys KOed bas with the same open hands he was KOing them with?

yes he had better subs...to eve argue this is just moronic...bjj is the end all be all of submissions

thats just the way it is

 

lost it

 

This. Prime Wand was a STUD. Many seem have forgotten that. If Bas were to win he wouldn't have won on his feet. Would have been more likely by submission. Bas never did very well against ultra aggressive fighters. Wand would have been all over him like a rash.

 

Agree. Seems like Bas is the Pacquiao of MMA fans - *******s - Bast....

:smoke

 

wandy was chinny....i think that is one reason he was super exciting...even saka put him on ***** street with one of his loopers...to wandy's credit, he did have great recovery...never took him long to get his head straight

 

Stopped reading here. I suggest you watch his first 6 years in PRIDE.

 

i did, have them here on this comp...and if you actually read the whole post you would have seen where i mentioned saka, whom wandy fought in pride

 

None of that matters. Wandy was NOT chinny.

 

your such a *****