Why does Oscar get little credit for beating Chavez in that 1st fight??

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  1. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a great win. The 33 year old Chavez had beat every man he ever stepped in the ring with at that time, and had a record of 96-1-1. He had won 7 straight since his only loss, including avenging that one loss to Frankie Randall. Oscar only had 21 pro fights at the time, and only has 1 fight at light welterweight before challenging Chavez. Chavez had had dozens of fights at that weight at the time they met, including 20 light welterweight title fights.

    Im not saying Chavez was in the middle of his prime, he wasnt, but he was still very good and still one of the best in world at the time. After the loss to Oscar, his decline began and two years later he was not the same fighter and he was fighting outside his natural weight. Things were in Oscars favor the 2nd time around. But Oscar deserves a lot more credit for that 1st fight than he gets.
     
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  2. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The second sentence of your post is incorrect.
     
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  3. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How so??
     
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  4. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not really, if I remember correctly Chavez was not far removed from the PFP(top 20) lists!
     
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  5. BigReg

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    Yeah, that was a good win for Hoya, all things considered.
     
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  6. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What I really don't understand is why people downplay his win against Whitaker. It's funny when people say that he lost all his biggest matches but he has wins over two ATGs
     
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  7. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chavez was on a downfall and he would later draw with fellow mexican Gonzalez but let's suppose Chavez had the conditions to do it to ODLH in his 99th fight, in his 16th year as a professional fighter and at age 34, Can you deal with a cut like that from a jab in the 1st round that had his face full of blood by the 4th. Tszyu demolished Chavez two years after the rematch when again JCC was stopped due to a cut inside his mouth.
     
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  8. H .

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    If Chavez wasn't past his prime, Oscar would get more credit. It is what it is.
     
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  9. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, the myth that he lost all his big fights doesnt hold water. Molina, Camacho, Chavez, Whittaker, Ruelas, Hernandez, Whittaker, Leija, undefeated Gonzalez, undefeated Quartey, Carr, Gatti, Vargas, Castillejo....he won a lot of big fights
     
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  10. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is speaking about Whitaker buddy.
     
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  11. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look, I agree that Whitaker should have got the win, but it didnt go his way. Robberies happen all the time in boxing and if boxing was fair almost every fighter on the planet would have his record adjusted.
     
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  12. horst

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    For anyone who followed Chavez's career, it was patently obvious that he was "past-prime" by the 1st Randall fight. Chavez had won the middle rounds of that fight and seemingly turned the bout in his favour, and then he wilted, in a way he had never, ever done before, not even in fights where he'd taken more damage and/or been more convincingly/dispiritingly outboxed such as Taylor and Whitaker. The Chavez that Oscar fought was but a pale imitation of the peak version (think circa 1987 at 135).
     
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  13. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whitaker didn't do enough to win that fight. He did absolutely nothing but dance around and act a fool. He made Oscar miss a lot, and other than a jab, Pernelll wasn't landing anything himself. I saw the fight live and a few times since and Oscar won a very close, boring chess match.
    Not that this means much, but Oscar did land more power punches and pernell's eye was swollen half shut while Oscar's face unscathed.

    oscar's win over Chavez was a great win and performance. That Oscar that was trained by Alcazar was the best Oscar IMO. I think Oscar peaked in the first mosley fight but fought the wrong fight in coming at Mosley and brawling with a faster man. Oscar always fights better going backwards.
     
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  14. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chavez wasn't shot though! He was still about 90% of what he was.
     
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  15. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you said that he has beaten every man even in case of draw it is not true. It doesn't matter for me I'm just explaining you his comment :)
     
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