Martinez >Prince Naseem and Cotto is less skilled than Barrera, but hear me out...

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  1. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    The Weight/Height and Chin disadvantages are a problem, but the Barrera gameplan was not only designed to get an effective offense going, but neutralizing the offense of the other fighter as well. My point in the comparison is to highlight how Barrera was able to get his own shots in and control the pace enough to make Naseem too reluctant to get his own offense going. With a Jab, a tight guard, and the right control of distance, Steward might have Cotto use this tactic to prevent Martinez from landing anything too significant. Martinez undoubtedly has one-punch KO power at the weight, but to prevent something from landing unseen or so clean to cause major damage would be part of the strategy. Left hook around the low right shoulder, circle left, jab, work the body when in close.
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Thought I'd bump this thread after the Martinez-Barker fight. Though Barker wasn't elite, he still had decent enough fundamentals and timing with the jab to disrupt some of Martinez's rhythm.

    Now, Martinez is one of my favorite active fighters, and I'm not out to bash him, but my original thoughts on how someone could "tame" Martinez with a textbook approach and intelligent pressure sprung to mind again last night. While I hope Martinez isn't getting too old before he has a chance to land some more big fights, I do thnk that if Barker could neutralize him to the extent that he did (I had him losing a good majority of rounds, mind you), then Cotto would have a shot, despite his stylistic and mental changes.

    Again, I point back to Barrera-Hamed, and how Barrera was able to use patience and well-coordinated leads and counters out of a textbook guard and stance, in order to neutralize the much more athletic but technically uncommitted southpaw in Hamed-and doing so with a dominant left hand.

    Thoughts are appreciated.
     
  4. MrOliverKlozoff

    MrOliverKlozoff The guy in shades Full Member

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    I already have that guy on ignore. Waste of time.
     
  5. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    great analysis...good points...but cotto was never the same after margo, add to that the beating he took against pacman...skill or talent means nothing without confidence....

    martinez obliterates cotto...
     
  6. RealBoxing

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    Martinez outclasses and embarrasses Cotto with Superior skill.

    Martinez K.o in 8th. :deal
     
  7. Bogotazo

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    I think his confidence is growing a bit. Mayorga was not world-beater when they fought, but he came in fit and was a much bigger man. Cotto didn't fight a perfect fight, but he won nearly ever round and never shied away from exchanges, which he got the better of. I think that if Steward keeps building his confidence, he won't be too gun-shy to pull it off.
     
  8. BoxingFanNo1

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    Crock of ****.
     
  9. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    It's an interesting comparison, but the size discrepancy between the two is greater than Hamed-Barrera. Martinez had been fighting at JMW for almost a decade before he moved to middleweight, which was still before Cotto moved up to junior middle and many consider Cotto a little small for that weight class.
     
  10. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    That is a good point, it is greater; do you mean more in just sheer weight, or the dimensions of height and reach?
     
  12. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bogotazo be sure to bump this thread after Cotto-Margo II. I think it will give us even better insight for this fight cause should Cotto win maybe the size issue can be nullified because Margo will be bigger than Cotto the day they fight and will show Cottos confidence is being built up by Emmanuel.

    Cotto-Martinez would be sick to watch.
     
  13. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Both.

    Not only is Cotto 5'7/67" vs Martinez 5'10/75",
    The comparison is Barerra 5'6/70" vs Hamed 5'5/64"

    Barrera actually had a dimensional advantage against Hamed whereas it's vice versa with Cotto. Hell, Barerra's dimensions are similar to Cotto.
     
  14. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    the only reason he's gonna beat cotto is because of his size. If they were of the same size and dimension, Cotto would wipe the canvass with his pretty face lmao
     
  15. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :good Will do. You never know, the fight could get made.