Question about lifting

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by mr. magoo, Oct 3, 2011.


  1. MrSmall

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    for the guy in question, he WANTED to do other stuff, so I lumped it into a day where he can do what he WANTS to do, and so I would imagine he would stick with it. On the flip side, at his level, it isn't as important, so its a win-win if he misses it. I assume he's not a kid, he's old enough to realise that he gets what he puts into it, so if he skips a day, me or you don't suffer! Thanks for the post. I can see the difficulty in training kids of that age where their minds just aren't right or focused yet, must be a whole new ballgame. I'm lucky in that the people I train are quite trainable.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Thanks for the perspective Mr. Smalls.

    Right now I am sort of in a body building phase, but go back and forth between hitting one muscle group per day for several months, then go to split routines where I have total body workouts maybe three days a week and do cardio and small groups in between.... I like to include plyos, sprints, and occasionally some medicine ball stuff in my more functional workouts.. I actually used to be a trainer, but that was years ago..

    I like to compare notes and always try new stuff.. Can you please type a hypothetical schedule of what my days should look like, with specific exercises and sets based on what you said earlier in the thread? You can be genaric if you want to. Thanks.
     
  3. MrSmall

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    monday tuesday thursday friday, in the order I said!
    bodybuilding is fine, just don't be afraid about PRIORITISING what you want to do. you want to get bigger then do something like:

    military press 5x5
    DB press 4x10
    Side/rear lateral superset 4x10
    Barbell curls 4x10

    deadlift 5x5
    barbell row 4x10
    pullups/chinups 4x10
    good morning 4x10
    hanging leg raises 4x10

    bench press 5x5
    dips 4x10
    pushups 5 x to failure
    tricep pushdowns 4x10

    Squat 5x5
    Leg press 4x10
    Leg curl 4x10
    Leg extension 4x10
    Ab exercise 4x10
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    Good stuff.. Thanks :good
     
  5. Rakim

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    I've got no real interest in gaining size, but I still don't understand how this works. 25 reps on squats, 40 on leg press, and 40 on leg extension. That's 105 reps hitting the quads in just one session, surely that's at the really high end of the endurance scale, rather than the optimum amount for gaining size? I'd always thought the rep range between 15-30 was for strength, and 31-50 was size (generally speaking).

    I'm probably completely wrong or missing something, but I'm still confused.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    The Quads are not the PRIME movers of all of those exercises though.. Sqauts for example ( when done properly ) are powered largely by the Glutes, Hamstrings and to a lesser extent, even part of the upper body.. The quads are definitely getting some work, but aren't taking the brunt of it... Incidentally, I am not a huge proponent of leg extensions for quads... Very bad for the patella tenden. I prefer using the hack squat machine, which is sort of an upright positioned leg press.
     
  7. Rakim

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    Even as secondary muscles, they seem to be getting hit ****ing hard for lots of reps. Maybe that's the idea, I don't know.
     
  8. mr. magoo

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    For the most part it pretty safe.. This program is actually designed to hit multiple areas, but if you look at body builder regiments, they place a lot more emphasis on one group in a single session...
     
  9. MrSmall

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    leg press and ESPECIALLY squats isn't really "quads", leg extensions are but they are counteracted by the leg curls.
    If you count up the total reps of every set you do in a workout they will all be on the :"endurance scale", what does that mean? Not a lot! sets of 10 will help with hypertrophy, which he is after.
    31-50 and 15-30? So if I did 30 one day its for strength, 31 the next its for size? where did you read that? misinformed my friend!
     
  10. MrSmall

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    if you do them properly they are fine, just like anything else. turn your leg out a little, and work the VMO (the teardrop style muscle on your inner knee)
     
  11. Rakim

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    I realise there won't be such a strict boundary on it, which is why I put (generally speaking). However, I thought it was pretty much standard that strength, size, and endurance had different rep ranges?
     
  12. MrSmall

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    In the sets, not the overall reps of the workout for any given bodypart you choose. If that was the case, then the hamstrings also get worked in the endurance range, but the glutes get worked in the size range. Makes no sense!
     
  13. Rakim

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    I thought the overall rep range was important, too. I've spent a couple of years now ensuring I don't go over 30 reps for any exercise.
     
  14. MrSmall

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    probably why your gains have been sub-par.
    why would you TRY and stop yourself putting some good work in?
    incase you get "too big" overnight?
    you should know better!
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  15. mr. magoo

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    Mr. Small, I do a lot of Romanian dead lifts, which is sort of like a half dead lift... What are your thoughts on these?