List your top ten of the last forty years.

I personally think he deserves to be ahead of Spinks. Holyfield's body of work is damn impressive. And Flea man said he ranks Lewis ahead of Holyfield. While I can understand that in terms of accomplishments at heavyweight, on a career and p4p basis, the Warrior gets the nod. No worth in Cruiserweight achievements..wtf??? What other divisions are we eliminating?? SuperMiddle would be my choice ..lol

 

Too difficult to objectively put them in numerical order from best to worst because I'll be liable to change my own view depending on the day. I'll make it easier by objectively choosing ten, then subjectively listing them by preference :hat

* Marvin Hagler
* Roberto Duran
* Thomas Hearns
* Jose Napoles
* Alexis Arguello
* Carlos Monzon
* Sugar Ray Leonard
* Pernell Whitaker
* Muhammad Ali

 

let me ask you the same question: Are you serious? Really?

You wont try to debate me cuz you know you cant. We'll try any one of them like chin: My man Hector could take it, yours had problems. You can check out the Geraldo fight if you dont believe me. You wouldnt see Hector stumbling against Geraldo

your man doesnt cut it on my list

 

Now THIS is a list! Finally, someone with some sense

 

Sarcastic?

I don't even like half the fighters I listed, but I can't knock their accomplishments.

When I lurked, I read you call Tyson the most overrated fighter in history, so it was a pleasant surprise you actually included him and 7th, no less. Sometimes I feel as though Tyson's idiotic fanboys have "purists" refusing to acknowledge what Mike actually did accomplish. I mean, besides being a mega-figure, his being the youngest heavyweight champ is seemingly the long and short of what's mentioned about him in most articles. This guy was an Undisputed Heavyweight Champion and unified the fragmented titles one-by-one. Since Tyson, how many combined defenses do the most recent undisputed champs have in comparison? Individually over a since reign, his 9 WBC defenses, 8 WBA defenses and 6 IBF defenses are all good for Top 3-4 all-time since their inception. His 23 first round KOs are Top 3 all-time within the division. He did this all by 23 years old. Physically, visually? Who's to front on that type of power and hand speed, seriously. Only a bitter, stubborn idiot. Tyson could give any HW in history a run for their money and some people just don't care to accept that. They point out the facts that he lost his legacy fights, didn't avenge losses, never came from behind, acted generally like a god damn fool , etc etc. That's fine, but there's two sides to the coin.

 

Spinks beat better fighters at lightheavy than Holyfield did at cruiser, and Spinks's best wins at heavy are as good as Holyfield's best wins at heavy. The only thing Evander has over Spinks is longevity as I see it. Spinks's dominant spell as lhw boss, the landmark first win over Holmes, and the sheer achievement of jumping from 175 to hw make Spinks a greater fighter than Holy IMO.

 

Is this how you start every post?

I find it difficult to get motivated for a "debate" which is so ridiculous and pointless, really.

Ranking Hector Camacho higher than Ray Leonard is like ranking Aaron Pryor higher than Roberto Duran or Kostya Tszyu higher than Roy Jones - it's just so obviously wrong and stupid that it doesn't really merit a discussion. You're comparing a very good fighter to one of history's stone-cold elite ATGs. :nut

Sugar Ray Leonard won world titles at 4/5 weight classes (depending on how you view the legitimacy of the Lalonde title), he stopped a prime version of one of the greatest welters ever Tommy Hearns, he emphatically defeated the welterweight version of Roberto Duran, he stopped the welterweight version of Wilfred Benitez, and irrespective of whether you think he deserved the decision or not, he came off a long lay-off and went straight in to give Hagler the closest fight of his great middleweight title reign.

There is absolutely no justification in the world for ranking Camacho anywhere even close to the man who achieved everything in the above paragraph.

None. :nono

 

No, I think you got me confused with someone else. It's Popkin's list along with fleabag's that raise eyebrows

I have been a Tyson fan since his intro on ABC. Placing Hagler as the top choice was logical. You made a bold & daring move no one else was willing to make

 

Yes, my list "raised eyebrows" by comparison with this...

:rofl

 

no one here takes those 4th & 5th titles seriously or even his third considering the bout was more of a tossup than actual win so why would you?

In 1981 Hearns was a half champ with 3 title defenses agianst obscure opposition. I dont see how that alone makes him one of the best ever. and besides, his prime was 3 years away

I liked Ray, I really did but what he had done at that point was just the beginning a brilliant career, not a career in itself

as for Wilfred, he was not some terrifying fighter that you make him out to be. I would say he was one of the top 4 or 5 fighters at both 140 & 147 and Leonard beat him easily as Norris beat Leonard easily

Camacho, was more a solid pro all the way around without all the holes in his career, in and out, in and out, in and out.

Camacho doesnt get cold feet, Leonard did which is the reason why we saw terror in his face coming out for the fifth just before Hector demolished him

I think Hector was amazing standing up to the bigger man and showing everyone who had the bigger heart. Hector's big edge in experience and toughness really paid off for him all the while showing why Ray needed a few more big bouts with the Pryor's the Curry's the Nunn's to toughen him up

 

1. Toney
2. Tyson
3. Duran
4. Tua
5. McCall
6. Sanchez
7. LaPorte
8. Chavez
9. Camacho
10. McCallum

 

Keep 'em coming!!

 

To be fair Hearns was only a paper champ when Leonard faced him, Leonard was lineal

 

Except, he demolished one of the most feared champions in boxing to win his title, and was one of the most highly rated fighters in the world p4p at the time he fought Leonard. :-(

 

he was a paper champ now get over it. Tommy's only notable win was Cuevas. Guys like Espada, Gray, & the rest were damaged goods, leftovers from pervious eras. the rest, who knows who they were?