2012 International Boxing Hall of Fame Nominees in the Old-Timers Class:

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by hhascup, Oct 4, 2011.


  1. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,685
    178
    Dec 27, 2006
    Here are the 2012 International Boxing Hall of Fame Nominees in the Old-Timers Class: (Last bout no earlier than 1943).

    Lets see who you would vote for.

    The voters can pick up to 10 boxers, But only the top 2 or 3 will be Inducted:

    Joe Bowker bantamweight 40(14)-8(5)-1 - 1900-1919
    Jimmy Britt welterweight 40(5)-12(0)-24 - 1926-1934
    Jackie Brown flyweight 108(40)-24(5)-9 - 1925-1948
    Newsboy Brown flyweight 56(11)-13(1)-5 - 1922-1933
    Johnny Buff bantamweight 31(14)-12(7)-3 - 1919-1926
    Frankie Burns bantamweight 43(24)-6(1)-10 - 1908-1921
    Eddie Campi bantamweight 55(10)-9(2)-9 - 1908-1918
    George KO Chaney featherweight 98(76)-21(8)-1 - 1910-1926
    George Chip middleweight 41(36)-15(3)-3 - 1909-1922
    Jimmy Clabby middleweight 84(48)-23(5)-22 - 1906-1923
    Leach Cross lightweight 33(21)-10(4)-4 - 1905-1921
    Bobby Dobbs lightweight112(72)-43(13)-33 - 1888-1914
    Frank Erne lightweight 33(15)-6(4)-13 - 1891-1908
    Harry Forbes bantamweight 85(44)-16(11)-25 - 1897-1922
    Tommy Freeman welterweight 170(81)-20(5)-21 - 1920-1938
    Larry Gains heavyweight 114(60)-22(14)-5 - 1923-1942
    George Gardner middleweight 43(32)-11(6)-7 - 1897-1908
    Jimmy Gardner welterweight 62(39)-8(3)-21 - 1900-1917
    Mike Glover welterweight31(16)-5(1)-5 - 1908-1916
    Dave Holly lightweight 34(29)-8(3)-1 - 1900-1910
    Leo Houck middleweight 91(22)-11(2)-9 - 1902-1926
    Young Peter Jackson welterweight 78(59)-24(2)-26 - 1895-1914
    Jake Kilrain heavyweight 29(17)-5(4)-10 - 1879-1899
    Joe Knight light heavyweight 103(51)-19(1)-10 - 1928-1938
    Charles Ledoux bantamweight 97(81)-23(3)-5 - 1909-1925
    Tancy Lee flyweight 12(7)-7(6)-1 - 1911-1926
    Willie Lewis middleweight 50(35)-17(11)-10 - 1901-1915
    George (Elbows) McFadden lightweight 45(25)-12(3)-21 - 1894-1908
    Eddie McGoorty middleweight 65(44)-18(6)-11 - 1900-1922
    Peter Maher heavyweight 133(106)-21(19)-4 - 1888-1913
    Jock Malone middleweight 90(32)-25(5)-10 - 1916-1931
    Cannonball Eddie Martin bantamweight 82(30)-13(3)-4 - 1921-1932
    Young Mitchell middleweight 5(5)-0(0)-4 - 1885-1893
    Tod Morgan super featherweight 133(30)-44(4)-33 - 1920-1942
    Torpedo Billy Murphy featherweight 90(78)-50(30)-23 - 1882-1911
    Mike O'Dowd middleweight 47(35)-7(1)-3 - 1914-1923
    Pedlar Palmer bantamweight 45(5)-15(9)-4 - 1891-1919
    Emile Pladner flyweight 104(39)-16(3)-13 - 1926-1936
    Wesley Ramey lightweight 141(11)-29(4)-12 - 1929-1941
    Petey Sarron featherweight 96(24)-24(1)-12 - 1925-1939
    Harry Smith middleweight 50(37)-7(1)-2 - 1928-1932
    Jeff Smith middleweight 75(35)-14(4)-3 - 1910-1927
    Mike Twin Sullivan welterweight 28(17)-6(5)-14 - 1901-1914
    Sid Terris lightweight 95(13)-13(5)-4 - 1922-1931
    Young Jack Thompson welterweight 74(46)-31(3)-12 - 1922-1932
    Carl Tremaine featherweight 44(17)-13(3)-6 - 1918-1929
    Jimmy Walsh lightweight68(17)-20-2 –0 - 1929-1940
    Ike Weir featherweight 25(19)-2(2)-9 - 1886-1898
    Charley White lightweight 87(59)-16(4)-5 - 1906-1930
    Jack (Kid) Wolfe bantamweight 24(5)-14(3)-7 - 1911-1931
     
    hhascup, Oct 4, 2011
    hhascup, Oct 4, 2011
    #1
  2. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,965
    66
    Aug 18, 2009
    Unlike d previous thread , this 1 contains numerals and boxrec links :happy.
    So why Julian Jackson didn't even make this list ?
    Joey Archer , Sim Thopmkins and Kingptech are d 3 best of this list as far as I currently know , followed by Ebihara . Tiger Jack Fox does not deserve , about most of d rest I simply don't know enough yet , but I suppose it is because they just weren't all that good .
    What about Jorge Lujan ? Marlon Starling ? Jose Luis Ramirez ? Juan LaPorte ? Aaron Davis ? Simon Brown ? they sure were better than Terry Norris and Ken Norton who got in .
    There should be a vote about taking some out .
    Robbi Sims & Merqui Sosa deserve better than Norton & Norris
    Also , I bet William Kid Parker deserves at least more than msot of d names in that list .
    If U keep introducing an old timer every year (all the more if u do 3) , then in d end every old timer who ever fought , even Drunkey John Phatson will b introduced , just because he fought 15 HOFers (and stopped 3 , 1 of them with an intentional low headbutt , and another with d help of his loaded with nails gloves , rights reserved to Angelo Dundee's great grandfather , but the newspaper's editor was d cousin of Phatson's manager so he emitted it) .
    Same with d "modern" fighters , there were many names there less deserving than Keith Holmes .
    And Terry Norris and Ken Norton should b out .
     
    frankenfrank, Oct 4, 2011
    frankenfrank, Oct 4, 2011
    #2
  3. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,604
    288
    Apr 18, 2007
    Well, I would expect Kilrain to be inducted in the pioneer category, not as an old timer, regardless of the "Last bout in or prior to 1892." I've noticed the IBHOF sometimes plays a little loosely with the purported guidelines. Henry, you did mention last December that while only two were supposed to get in on the old timers ballot, three wound up getting selected.

    I've expressed my partiality for Sarron before. He did get out of his rivalry with Freddie Miller holding the FW Title, and his induction would further reinforce Armstrong's stature. Others here have also favorably cited Petey as a suitable candidate for enshrinement.

    McFadden has been touted for years as somebody who should have been in a long time ago. Elbows KO 23 Gans at the Brooklyn AC on Friday, April 14, 1899 is one of the monumental knockout wins of all time. This is apparently the only noncontroversial stoppage win anybody ever posted over a prime Old Master. (Gans was then officially 70-4-9, with all four defeats via decision.)

    No great quarrel from me over some of the other names on that Old-Timer's ballot. I'd be interested in seeing more feedback.
     
    Duodenum, Oct 5, 2011
    Duodenum, Oct 5, 2011
    #3
  4. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

    21,677
    50
    Sep 8, 2007
    honestly amazed that some of those names aren't already in. be a tough choice this category
     
    Jorodz, Oct 5, 2011
    Jorodz, Oct 5, 2011
    #4
  5. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,685
    178
    Dec 27, 2006
    On this years ballot, as was last year, it states 2, But like you stated, they put in 3, so that's why I put 2 or 3.
     
    hhascup, Oct 5, 2011
    hhascup, Oct 5, 2011
    #5
  6. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

    19,654
    52
    Jan 19, 2010
    Erne
    McFadden
    Chip
    O'Dowd
    Kilrain
    Sarron
    Twin Sullivan
    Maher
    Walsh
    G. Gardner or Holly
     
    Swarmer, Oct 5, 2011
    Swarmer, Oct 5, 2011
    #6
  7. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,935
    92
    Aug 21, 2008
    That's what I thought while reading it. I actually thought Erne was already in.

    I definitely think O'Dowd should be in, and McGoorty is probably a good pick too. Sarron is more borderline IMO, but justifiable.
     
    My2Sense, Oct 10, 2011
    My2Sense, Oct 10, 2011
    #7
  8. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

    8,063
    34
    Apr 28, 2010
    Maher
    Freeman
    Sarron
     
    DonBoxer, Oct 10, 2011
    DonBoxer, Oct 10, 2011
    #8