Frank Bruno vs. George Foreman in 1991

this is what mongoose wont accept. gerrie coetzee at 232lb as tall and broad as foreman was quite a lot slimmer than george at 255-260lb.

 

Coetzee looked untrained against Bruno though. Foreman was more muscular but overfed !

The point I'm making is, why do you critcise Foreman for not fighting guys who are almost as heavy as himself, when you are also aware that Foreman at 255 was probably carrying 20+ lbs excess flab ?
I don't understand that logic.

Holyfield was 208. Tyson was 218. Those were the two best fights Foreman could make in 1990 -91.

 

Bruno would look splendid for about 3/4 of the fight, then Foremans pressure gets to him, plus stamina issues and "Deer in headlight syndrome".

Bruno hits harder than the average heavy, but i wouldnt put his power in the same category as a Morrison.

Has Bruno ever been off his feet?

 

-You said Foreman didn't fight gatekeepers. Cooper was certainly one of the more prominent ones of the late 80s and early 90s, and your opinion of him can't change that. Splitting hairs on gatekeepers is pretty absurd anyway, Page, Bey, Cooper were all losing quite a bit, while occassionally pulling off an inspired performance. That's what gatekeepers do.

-This is pure fantastic hyperbole that adds nothing to your argument. Moorer blew out Stewart, who accomplished about as much as Bruno did..only losing to elite fighters and all.

 

As mentioned, Foreman had some old man fat but he had a ton of muscle. He was also in great condition, standing up to huge beatings, and still keeping his threatening one punch power the entire fight.

At 232 Coetzee was soft and wiry with a pot belly. Everyone but you can see he was clearly not in fighting shape, I've even produced sources that questioned his conditioning going in. His uncharacteristic non-start against Bruno only confirms this as he did nothing before finally catching the first right hand that came his way and crumbling with gut in the air, your making this out to be Spinks/Tyson when it wasn't.

 

because clearly old George knew how to use his excess flab to his advantage. he did not mind giving away speed when he knew he could slow a man down to his level using all that weight. it would have been interesting and at least competitive if Bert cooper and co could have been big enough to make an impression, kept his balance and stood with him when George shrugged him into his firing line. more interesting fights than lacuster, jacco and Crabtree would have been bugner, Ferguson, Williams, Greg page, David bey who would not have been so drained and disadvantaged in the bulking stakes.

 

Its a lot easier to withstand a beating from a man 44lb lighter. You are always in with a chance of shrugging him off and leaning your way out of trouble as well as making a lot more impresion with your own punches. Ask any fighter who he would rather face a better figter who is much lighter or guy as big as you and a lot younger?

 

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Absolute madness. These guys re-arranged Foreman's face with more flush punishment in two fights than I've ever seen Coetzee or Bruno take in their whole career.

 

coetzee was a big guy, he was lighter for frank than he was when beating tillis. Against Frank bruno gerrie was only 3 pounds heavier than he was against george chaplain way back in 1981.

As for gerrie being washed up coetzee looked as good as ever losing to page and remained unbeaten until he fought frank. maybe he got caught cold but there was no quit in coetzee, he did not throw the bruno fight how ever much you would like to discredit that bruno win.

 

so why was George’s face in worse shape after fighting Alex Stewart to a MD? could it be that Stewarts extra weight and strength counted that bit more?
Bruno took a gruelling beatings from witherspoon, Lewis and Tyson that would eclipse damage moorer and holyfeild was capable of. frank would survive what they could muster.

Gerry endured slugfests with a prime Thomas, weaver and page who were harder hitters than moorer and holyfeild. come to think of it I don’t think holyfeild or moorer knock him out either.

 

-He didn't look good against Tillis either.

-Of course, because Page was his last serious hurray.

-I never said Coetzee threw the fight, but he didn't give himself a chance either.

 

i will have to take your word for it, i never saw that fight. do you have it?

because he came in lighter than his last winning fight? I am confused.

this was an official wba title eliminator I cant think why gerrie would not want to win, if coetzee beat frank he got witherspoon, a guy who lost to a guy (thomas) gerrie already drew with.

 

-Guess because Stewart is one of those big punchers, you say he didn't fight. And Stewart beat the hell out of him, again proving my point about big George's strong condition.

-Oh, you can't believe that. In all three matches, Bruno boxed well before gassing, getting caught, and going rubber legged. Not always in that order. Gruelling beatings? What type of misleading word play is that?

-He didn't endure them, he got stopped in two of the three(long round or not)

 

"With calls of Booooo ringing through Ellis Park, the medics carried the bloody Champ straight to the hospital. HIs right eye..looked like raw steak, closed shut...,they told me I'd loosened a few of his teeth. I felt like Floyd Patterson 20 years ago, I couldn't get a break."
-James Tillis

Not surprising, Coetzee couldn't use his signature right hand anymore..something your overlooking, it was badly damaged by this time.

-Again, splitting hairs. Dude was out of shape in both matches, 3 lbs or not. His hand was a mess, he was out for 14 months before the Tillis fight. Mounting injuries, long periods of inactivity..do the math.

 

It was a MD, Stewart was the kind of fighter bruno KOd. At the end of the day old george never was convincing over 10 rounds because he was slow and got hit so much. He also never knocked out decent big heavyweights. If he cant KO rated, live big heavyweights and hes not convincing over the distance against journey men that gives Bruno a great chance surely?

agreed gassing and getting caught in a hard fight. you said Bruno and coetzee never could have taken the kind of beating 40lb lighter moorer gave foreman because they never took that much punishment. I took it that you did not believe either could take it. witherspoon was a war. Tyson had his hands full with bruno these were grueling fights with harder hitters than former LH double M..

yes bruno and coetzee got stopped by harder punchers and bigger heavyweights than micheal moorer.