How do you think jack johnson would have adjusted his game for the modern era?

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would definitely have to upgrade his activity, not only to match the opponent's pace but to please the audience and the judges.

    Johnson would also compete mostly against opponents his size or bigger. He would have to rely on his speed and skill, not his strength and ability to fight in the clinches. He could do this but on film we see him doing mostly the latter.

    I would not put it past him to accomplish these feats.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    He would talk **** and grow some corn rows.
     
  3. janitor

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    I thin that people who critique his style based on the available film footage, and discuss whether he could "adapt" to fighting conditions in other eras completely miss the point. Perhaps even the two or three most important points.

    Johnson was a figter who simply found the most economical and methodical way to deal with whatever was put in front of him, and concequently his style reflected what was put in front of him. He was not paricularly orthodox in terms of the boxing book, he simply worked out a way to nulify the oponent in question, under the ruleset in question.

    His understanding of the mechanics of boxing technique, was probably about as comprehensive as that of any heavyweight fighter in history. You could have shown him film of any top heavyweight in history, and he would have identified a number of technical vulnerabilities in their style and how to exploit them.

    It is not a question of whether he could adapt, because adapt was all that he ever did.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Johnson would need to refine his game. He had a low guard, was somewhat stationary, had a low punch out count, and liked to clinch and hit. While this worked often vs. smaller or older men, it would not serve him well today, espcially the clinching and hitting part which would get him docked points. Being a shade over 6 feet tall and only have a 74" reach would be a severe handicap today.


    Today he would be a very small heavyweight, and that style would not work vs. either Klitschko brother. On film Johnson is better on the inside. He was in fact out scored by a medicore Moran on the outside. Check the flims.

    Could he adjust his game? I think so, but he would be better off at Crusier where his chin, and size would be less of a handicap.
     
  5. Foreman Hook

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    Jackie Johnson IMO would be Undesputed Cruiser Chammpion of teh whole world today. :bbb you gotta remember kids, JJ started @ a tiny 168lbs (only a middleweight or light middle today with 24hr rehydration clause) so he probs bulks-up to 205/209lbs like in his Prime And boils down to 199/200lbs with modern rehydration to rule teh Cruiserweight roost. Ring Magazine, Super WBA, IBF, Diamond WBC And WBO all around his waist baby!! :rasta


    Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke
     
  6. Squire

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    :rofl
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    Johnson predicted the way Schmelling could beat Louis setting traps with the counter right, Louis was still vulnerable to the counter right throughout his career as you can see against Walcott. Johnson may well have exploited this
     
  8. Azzer85

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    A heavweight Mayweather?

    Maybe a more aggresive and better version of Chris Byrd?
     
  9. Jayhaych

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    A better version of henry akinwande!! Hehehehe! Lol

    Seriously he would've be Wladimir Klitscho-esque in style whereby he would've jabbed and grabbed.
     
  10. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    i reckon he'd be a hopkins or charles analogue more than anything else.
     
  11. mcvey

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    He would be on his own at CRUSIER the only one in the division.:good:yep

    So you think he would have to adjust his LOW PUNCH OUT COUNT?:think

    Are you sure Moran was MEDICORE ? I thought he was American.
    Low guard, somewhat stationary? Are you getting him mixed up with Vitali ? Or, as you call him VITLAI.:hi:
     
  12. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you're trying to compare styles from almost 90 years later.. and go see.. they didn't fight like these guys.. thus they were inferior.. What's worse, you actually think that is sound logic. That is like taking somebody who did the long jump before the f flop and saying they can't compare to people after because look.. they jump higher.. NO they are using a superior technique so of course they will jump higher. Yet if so say pre f flop people who were clearly just as athletic and could jump... used said technique.. you don't think they would be able to adapt and jump as high? That isn't even factoring the improvements on training and techniques, which again, seem to allude you. Fighters fought how they did in Johnson's era and he dominated them.. with ease most of the time without trying... Just because techniques get better, trainers get better, technology gets better and the style changes.. doesn't make the calibur of fighter who preceded that any less of a fighter to the current ones. What matters is... Johnson had the strength, stamina, power, defensive abillity, ring generalship and quickness to do well in any era. Period. What about this is alluding you.. God on knows...
     
  13. KuRuPT

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    Yet he lost to many people not even in the top 100 of all time. Yet EVERY ATG Louis ever fought.. he either lost to, got gifted a decision or was losing to a smaller man before a late KO. Those happened more than him beating ATG's... so how on earth can you say he was the most complete HW in history and beats everybody h2h I don't understand.
     
  14. Seamus

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    Sorry, I stopped reading at the part about the long jump and the Fosbury Flop.
     
  15. KuRuPT

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    got it... a analogy that fits to an improvement in style and technique that change the bar.. couldn't apply right? Concession accepted.