How do you think jack johnson would have adjusted his game for the modern era?

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  1. KuRuPT

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  3. Mendoza

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    I have become a busy man, often multitasking at 5:30AM to post here. You are a cancerous old man who said he is recently divorced. The sad reality is you have nothing better to do. If I make a typo or two in haste, ( as you do too ) and that makes your day, I guess that sums the things up for you. :lol:

    Back to boxing....Vitali would beat Jack Johnson down, its a mismatch
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    Completely misread my post so i'll spell it out.

    If louis was not as dominant and say lost to galento, avenging it 2 years later, galento would go down as great. If louis lost to any of his challengers before avenging they'd have gone down as atg.

    Had louis not existed, that twelve years sees a couple of his challengers as champions hence becoming atg.

    I don't understand how you can call him less than dominant. Up until his retirement he did nothing but dominate. He lost a pre title fight to max and brutally avenged it. He was the most dominant champ in history. Until he was past it he'd beaten every man he fought and knocked most out. He dominated his era more than anyone before or since. For this reason I favour him above any hw.

    Either way, subjective is the nature of fantasy h2h. You're taking it to seriously whilst making some silly errors.
     
  5. Azzer85

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    Jack "The Black John Ruiz" Johnson?
     
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    I was divorced 13 years ago.:lol:
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  7. KuRuPT

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  8. KuRuPT

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    Wait you're claiming just because you're champion you're considered an all time great? Do I need to list the number of champions who aren't considered that? My only point is this.. if Louis is to be considered the best HW ever or the best h2h fighter ever in the HW division.. I should see some clear dominance of the ATG he did face... When you look at how he did.. you find the complete opposite of that. That is my only point.
     
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  10. Pachilles

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    Gayboy
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    No i'm not claiming that. Reread my post.

    As I said, everyone he faced (atg or not) up until his retirement, he dominated.

    By 1940 he'd beaten some of the greatest heavyweights in the divisions 60 year history.

    To be honest, criticising louis for a lack of dominance is staggering.
     
  12. KuRuPT

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    Are you not reading my post or just not relaying them appropriatly on purpose? I'm not questioning his dominance over a period of time. I'm QUITE CLEARLY ONLY questioning his dominance against the ATG he faced. I've made this point clear countless times, and yet, time after time this seems to allude you luf.. why?
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    The more I read, watch and learn about johnson's style, the more foolish I believe my thread title is: johnson, by far, was the most scientific boxer in history by the time he was fighting. Under modern scoring he'd have won every fight in his prime I believe. I don't think he did need to adjust that much at all apart from a higher workrate and a higher guard.

    The man seems to have been one of the first hw's, if not the first, to become a master in the art of "hit and not get hit" maybe it was him who invented that saying, I dunno.

    My aim was to watch and read as much about him as possible and my conclusion is that he'd have been just as dominant later on in the divisions history with only a few fighters being favoured over him.
     
  14. janitor

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    Just how unfamilar would the modern ruleset be to Johnson?

    People often forgett that the old timers often did fight bouts of 15, 10 and even 6 rounds. By no means every key fight back then was a 20 or 45 rounder.

    All the footage that we have of Johnson is from bouts that were scheduled for either 20 or 45 rounds, but some of his key fights were much shorter.

    His fight against Sam Langford was a 15 rounder.

    His first fight against Sandy Ferguson was a 10 rounder, and probably fairly important in settling the issue of who the top contender was.

    The Munroe fight was a 6 rounder, and he was fighting the champions previous title challenger, to try to force a title shot.

    Coloured heavyweight title fights against Childs and Jeanette were scheduled for 6 rounds.

    What would we see if these fights were on film?
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Let me reword it, again.

    During louis's prime he dominated every man he faced. Any atg's he faced in his prime were dominated by louis.