How bad would Mike Tyson beat Joe Frazier?

Your underestimating Tysons inside game. Tyson could be held in close by bigger lanky guys, but a guy thats moving his hands is not going to keep Tyson from landing punches and fighting. Tyson was a hell of a infighter.

 

And what about 95% of Fraziers comp that he actually beat?

 

i seriously don't know how the hell you think Frazier is just going to avoid getting hit at that close range and with Tyson's handspeed.. Joe's chin isn't taking very many shots either.

 

Has anyone considered that Frazier will also be hitting Tyson? The whole thread's about Tyson rocking Frazier, but Joe was known to fight back, last I checked. What happens if Frazier's hook connects, and more than once? Not saying Tyson with his speed, power and well-protected chin wouldn't beat Frazier, but to assume it's a done deal ignores the reality of being in the ring with Frazier. If this fight went past the third round I'd pick Frazier every time.

 

Something like this...

except one of the best left hooks of all time is going to be coming back

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Exactly.

:deal

 

Well, its going to be a dog fight. As said, this is going to be shoulder to shoulder, head to head, no clinching, duck, hook, push, duck, hook, duck, push going both ways. I favor Frazier in this type of ugly fight, especially if it moves out of the early rounds, no disrespect to Mike.

 

Didnt he knock him out with a uppercut?

 

Frazier will eat a lot more than just a few left hooks, and ducking a shot or two here and there isn't going to save him.

 

Yes after missing about 20 of them. Do you want me to break down the fight and explain the differences between Mathis and Frazier that should be obvious?

Magoo wanted to know how Frazier could make Mike miss, and Mathis made him miss plenty with the bob and weave.

 

If you prescribe to the theory that Frazier is just going duck up and down, and not fight back or pressure Mike...ok.

Could this not go both ways? Mike was tough, but Frazier was vicious when somebody wasn't holding or clinching him. He shattered Chuvalo's face when he dared test his chin against Smokin Joe, I think Mike would feel his power.

 

Lets see Frazier layoff for four years and then comeback and fight Mathis in his second fight. Frazier would have looked stupid for a few rounds too.

 

I actually thought it was good performance from Tyson against a difficult opponent he never faced before. He didn't let Mathis frustrate him, he stayed focused, figured out Mathis wasn't going to give him anything to worry about, and went all out to stop him. Mike wore him out and broke him down.

But its interesting in that its one of the few times Tyson fought someone smaller who could bob and get under his punchers. I'm not prepared to chalk it up to "well Tyson was in prison" without considering the unique stylstic match up Mathis presented.

 

This. :deal

Tyson was rusty as ****... his layoff was 4 years & 2 months, with his only experience following that being 1 minute 29 seconds against that crapola joke Peter McNeeley. Mike had absolutely **** timing in that fight, like he did against McNeeley too. No wonder his sloppy singular telegraphed haymakers kept missing, until he damn near killed Mathis in the 3rd with a brutal uppercut & savage combo. Only an idiot would compare such a Rustbucket Tyson to him at his Peak, when he had exceptional timing & accuracy... A Peak Tyson would've timed the headmovement of Mathis with his double shotgun jab, & smashed him with devastating uppercuts in round 1.

 

Tyson's timing never returned. He certainly wasnt a well oiled machine two fights into his comeback after a long layoff. Tyson was getting hit a lot by Mathis by stupid sloppy slappy punches. I think had Tyson fought Mathis in the late 80's things would be different.