Dempsey, Liston, Holyfield, Frazier.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Consistent, not sensible, unless it is under fire, then, eventually...until the next time, which gets very tiring if you somehow become the police.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

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    Sensible opinion is that at any given time during dempsey's active years, wills was the best available opponent.
     
    lufcrazy, Oct 6, 2011
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    which is what I have said all along. there was a point where I think wills was more of a threat and a time when he was less of a threat, whats unsensible about that?
     
    choklab, Oct 7, 2011
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    everything on here is opinion isnt it? and when did I say it was a fact that wills was not a worthy chalenger? A fact you are trying to create is that wills was better than dempsey and this is an opinion that cannot be proved anymore than I think dempsey was better than wills after 1920.

    have you found any articles that say firpo was less of a threat than wills yet because untill you do I am going to asume that dempsey v firpo was a fight that was wanted as much as any other.
     
    choklab, Oct 7, 2011
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  5. McGrain

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    Your completely arbitrary selection of 1919 as the end of the period where he posed "more of a threat" your reasoning generallly and your pre-supposing certain things about the standing of Wills are way off.
     
    McGrain, Oct 7, 2011
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No.

    Never, when did I say that you said that Wills was not a worthy challenger?

    No, wrong again, my guess is Dempsey was better and i stressed earlier that if they met passed prime Dempsey would "still" be the favourite to me.

    Dozens before and after that discuss Wills as the most serious challenge out there. None that say "FIRPO IS NOT AS GOOD AS WILLS" as the headline, sorry.
     
    McGrain, Oct 7, 2011
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Your choice of year seems strange to me. Beating firpo erased any doubts that wills was the biggest threat to jack.
     
    lufcrazy, Oct 7, 2011
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  8. 1899sharkey

    1899sharkey Boxings golden age Full Member

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    1. Dempsey 2.Liston 3. Frazier 4. Holyfield... H2h.
     
    1899sharkey, Oct 7, 2011
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  9. lufcrazy

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    You think jack beats sonny?
     
    lufcrazy, Oct 7, 2011
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    there we have it, dempsey IS better than wills.
     
    choklab, Oct 7, 2011
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    everyone great beats sonny. who did he beat? roy harris and floyd who was not trying?

    foley who cooper beat?

    machen who ingo KOd?

    who did he beat ali? No.
     
    choklab, Oct 7, 2011
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  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    have you turned into a troll or something lately?
     
    lufcrazy, Oct 7, 2011
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: when you are presented with factual articles refuting your position you ignore them, when you're confronted with a tentative "guess" that coincides with your position you present it as fact, itallics, bold and all...I think luf is being kind labelling you just a troll.

    :lol:
     
    McGrain, Oct 8, 2011
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  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    His last two posts make me kind of angry I wasted so much time on him :lol:
     
    lufcrazy, Oct 8, 2011
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  15. 1899sharkey

    1899sharkey Boxings golden age Full Member

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    Yes. Jack beats Sonny in a fight resembling the Firpo fight.
     
    1899sharkey, Oct 8, 2011
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