How bad would Mike Tyson beat Joe Frazier?

Yeah, me too.

Frazier was not hard to hit. Ali hit him so many times but didn't have the power to KO him. Quarry hit him, Bugner hit him, Chuvalo hit him, Mathis hit him. He was OK against the lighter hitters, but of course guys like Foreman and Tyson are going to KO him.

 

Badly, I don't see Frazier getting out of the 3rd round to be frank. I have been called on for hating/dismissing Tyson, too. I see posters in this thread that have picked Frazier in the past. He's one of their favorite guy/fighter but they realize the reality is Frazier is against all odds, stylistically. I too realize this, and Frazier is my 2nd favorite fighter.

Here's the thing. The type of posters that pick Frazier are some of the ones that actually think Frazier has a better chin than Tyson because Tyson was KOed/TKOed by Williams, Lewis, Holyfield, & McBride (Never that simple, obviously). The others that pick him think Frazier can take advantage of Tyson's weaknesses on the inside, and back him up. Hardly an easy assignment, stylistically, for Frazier.

Tyson fans wrongly feel the need to defend Tyson's in-fighting. It's silly for them to use Frazier's strength as some argument for Tyson. Tyson wasn't a better body-puncher than Frazier. Let's not get silly here. He was never a superb in-fighter, and if it becomes an in-fight Frazier may actually have a chance to start smoking. But don't worry Tyson fans, the reality is that Tyson tags Frazier with something heavy in the mid-range and then finishes him on the inside. If he beat Frazier on the inside I imagine it will be due to the right uppercut, however, Frazier fights much better, much more compact, guarded, and lower than Marvis Frazier. The double right to the body and uppercut to the head will be more difficult to maneuver against a smaller target. Okay, Ramos stunned Frazier with that same right uppercut. It was a sneak shot that caught an offensive Frazier off guard.

For whatever it's worth. I still see this fight being won somewhere in the middle range with Frazier trying to come in on the inside, and with Tyson side-stepping Frazier's perpetual motion. It won't be a head on chest contest with Tyson out in-fighting Frazier.

 

It really all sadly boils down to the fact that Frazier doesn't have the durability to withstand whatever onslaught Tyson unleashes on him. Whether Frazier's the one moving forward or being offensive (Probably actually more dangerous), or if Frazier turns the roles of the guy willing to back and use lateral movement (E.G. Chuvalo vs Frazier).

 

The real debate here is whether Frazier would ever actually agree to fight such a puncher.Personally,I don't think he would.




Frazier's lack of punch resistance would limit this slaughter to about a round or two.

 

Watch his fights with Tucker,Smith and Tillis.

The guy was deadly dangerous early but after 4-5 rounds he was nothing special at all. His power showed zero evidence of carrying late into a fight (ignoring Jose Ribalta who was ordinary anyway) and his vaunted head movement and defense became decidedly less impressive as the fight goes on.

If Frazier can survive early (no guarantees there but it did take a physical powerhouse freak like Foreman to stop a well past it Frazier) then this fight could turn into a nightmare for Tyson. Where Tyson gets less dangerous late, peak Frazier gets better. I remember seeing an interview with Joe Bugner and he noted how Frazier was the toughest guy he ever fought because his punch out put and power were just as good if not better in the 12th than it was in the 1st, and his pressure was absolutely unrelenting all fight.

I see this as a very good match up and I can't call a winner at all but I'd be barracking like anything for Smokin Joe.

 

Also,I can't understand why so many question Frazier's chin and durability. Only George Foreman,who when it came to sheer raw power was the hardest hitting heavy ever,knocked Frazier out. Foreman would have done that to a lot of fighters,before and after.

 

I must disagree. Ruddock was walking with his gloves down, not jabbing, and Mike still struggled to put his punches together and finish him despite dropping him several times. I think the focused confident Tyson of Bruno II would have mopped him up early, I mean just compare his body language in those two fights. Going into Ruddock II, Mike seemed to still be carrying the Douglas loss with him as well as losing his mind (I'm going to make you my girlfriend..scream for me!" or some **** like that. Up until something like the Lewis fight, its the slowest and most lost he's ever looked in the ring, and it really had nothing to do with anything Ruddock was doing.

 

Frazier...

 

-Really? In a thread where I've praised his overall skills as being better than Frazier's? Next to Dempsey, Tyson has the best swarming skills and execution, hands down. But in the phone booth where this fight will no doubt be fought, he couldn't do much more than Frazier, in fact he seemed to be much less comfortable and effective in that situation. Mike liked to get a combination off and restart, he did most of his damage from midrange, countering over jabs, taking boxers apart. Frazier liked to keep grinding it out, he did his damage with short hooks really close, and brutal body work, he wouldn't give Mike a break.

-Bonavena is not a good analogy to Mike. Mike was a fine tuned offensive force, Bonavena was awkward as hell.

-But hey, I agree. Mike's best chance is to jump on Frazier and knock him out early like Foreman. Foreman knew that too. But can Mike repeat Foreman's performance..I'm not sure he has the tools.

 

a Tyson uppercut is more like a Ali uppercut then a Foreman uppercut. :deal

And Ali had teh least success with his uppercut in his 3 superfights with Smokey Joey. :deal

 

when Tyson throw an uppercut at Joey, he gonna get rocked by a bigass lefthook, like Ali did. thumbsup

Tyson will be swinging And missing like a fool cos of Smokey Joey's headmovements. :deal

Frazier did have mega-quick random headmovement And was super-duper-slippery hard to hit, a million times harder to hit when bobbin' And weavin' than a fat little journeyman like teh predictable Manthis JR. :deal

Joey would make Tyson miss a shitload more haymakers than third-rater Manthis JR made him miss And that is a FACT. :hat

And if Manthis could make Tyson miss more then 75% of his punches in 3 Rounds - Tyson is DOOMED! Smokey Joey will make Tyson miss 90% of his wild haymakers And smash teh **** outta him with counter left-hook haymakers what put Tyson on *****-Street many times every round. :yep:yep


Foreman Hooooooooooooooook!:smoke

 

This is the most sensible post I've seen that favored Tyson.

But my problem is I can't see Tyson taking a step back or to the side of Frazier to do something like that. I can't see Tyson catching him coming in, because they'll both be moving forward and getting into each other's face.

I admit Frazier's durability is cause for concern. But banking on durability to beat Mike isn't something I would consider for anyone, you have to outfight or outsmart him.

 

XPERT post m8. :thumbsup

Tyson only ever used side-stepping in 1995 VS Manthis JR And in 2000 VS Andy Golota. But them version of Tyson get RAPED even worse then 1988 Tyson would VS 1971 FOTC Smokey Joey. And Tyson could never throw a good punch on teh back-foot. like you said - both will be charging forward And if anyone gets caught on teh way in, it will be Tyson getting caught by Joey's straight-right And jab while coming in, cos Smokey has 2inches MORE reach then Mikey. IMO it is a FACT teh whole fight will be on teh inside And Frazier is a ATG on teh inside And Tyson is crappy. All Tyson can do on teh inside VS Frazier is hold on for his dear life, while Joey smothers And suffocates Tinkerbell. :deal

Even if Smokey is caught by 1 lucky haymaker uppercut on teh inside like Dildo Douglas was, he will just get up And comeback smokin' even harder And more fearce! Frazier has a mint chin, he got up fighting from SIX Foreman Haymakers in 2 Rounds!! And everyone with a brain knows, Tyson hits powerfully, BUT Big George hits 2X more powerfully with his Haymakers, it a FACT!! So Tyson would have to knockdown Joey like 12 times to win And that is NEVER gonna happen in teh first 5 Rounds before he gasses while Smokey gets Smokin'. :hat


Foreman HooooooooooooooooooooooooK!:smoke

 

:blood

drops some change in foreman hook's cup and hurries away.

 

And it is a FACT Smokey Joey is a way way more skilled infighter then Tinfoil And is lots smarter too. :deal

Frazier is SMARTER cos he knows how to fight on teh back-foot, like VS Chuvalo And Foreman rematch! And Joey has way better defense/headmovements then Tinkerbell Tyson - just watch teh FOTC And Douglas VS Tyson for PROOF. Frazier made teh GOAT miss a shitload of lightening fast jabs/straights/flurries with his random headmovents. Tyson was a ****ing punchbag on legs VS a 42/1 journeyman. :rofl:rofl:rofl cos of his predictable headmovements. :hey:hey


Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooook!:hatgl