What's the highest you can rank Ezzard Charles all time?

Ezzard Charles is somewhere in the top 25, and posssibily top 10.
After the first 4 spots in my rankings things get kind of mushed up.
My thoughts on Ezzard Charles
His in ring skills are right up there with the best of them.
He is considered by many to be the best ever at light heavyweight despite never being champion.
He was the heavyweight champion by beating Joe Louis who may not have been at his best but was still very good.
Had he not beaten Louis, he would have gone down in history as the best of the Black Murders Row boxers. This dose not take away from his abillities but it is possible that as good as he was he could have been lost to obscurity.

 

Buzzard Charles in the top-10 is possible, however, I see him more so between #'s 11 thru 20 on the P-4-P list.... I rate him around # 14 on the ATG heavyweight list.... He's basically top-20 for sure in each dept...
:yep:deal

MR.BILL:hat

 

Greb
Robinson
Armstrong
Langford
Duran
Charles
Fitzsimmons
Ali

That's my top 8 and I'm pretty set on it tbh, but I would in no way argue if people want to rate him top 5.

It is certainly the greatest LHW of all time. He was the type of fighter who out outbox slick boxers like Burley, and outbang massive hitters like Moore.

Just look at his resume. Burley twice, he battered Moore in 2 of the 3 fights, and won the other one as well, he beat jersey Joe twice (maybe a case can be made for the 4th but the full fight doesn't exist), he came back from losing to Bivins to beat him 3 times, he beat Joey maxim 3 (?) times, Elmer Ray, Lee Q Murray, Lloyd Marshall twice and Joe Louis. I mean this is a who's who of 1940s-50s greats. He came out on top of what was the more stacked era in any divisions history.

So yeah, he's a good fighter.

 

Ps, I don't see how anyone doesnt have him in the top 10. By all means post a list to prove me wrong.

 

Does he beat.
Langford
Fitz
Tunney
At 175lbs?:think

 

5th. IMO, he is a clear #5 after SRR, Greb, Langford, Armstrong. To be honest, perhaps he could even be argued above Armstrong and into 4th place. Why? Charles's resume is a monument in boxing.

 

Sammy Angott's resume is even more impressing . he has 3 * 10 rds decision losses to Walker Smith , he also fought Armstrong , Zivic , Beau Jack , Lou Ambers , Ike Williams * 3 , Willie Pep (not that I count him) , Lew Jenkins and then a few more .
Unlike Charles , Angott was stopped only once .
I bet there are more who at least compare 2 Charles in terms of resume .

 

Who said there wasn't?

 

I just haven't seen their names mentioned in this thread yet , and neither Angott's .

 

Charles's resume is clearly stronger than Angott's anyway, Angott cannot match the quality or depth of Charles's best victories IMO, not at all. There are very, very few fighters from history who can match Charles in this regard.

 

Angott only didn't match the depth of humiliation of Charles' losses .

 

Considering he has one of the best if not the best resume in the sport not to mention one of the most skillful boxers you'll see he has an argument for the number 1 spot. I have at number 5.

 

Overall, Charles's resume is significantly stronger and better, that's what counts.

 

No1, if you believe the following:

1. Burley being a top5 WW and MW
2. Moore being a top 3 LHW
3. Louis not being as far removed from his prime as many consider and ranking Walcott in your top 12, also if you believe he really beat Walcott
4. You consider the Walcott 4, Elmer Ray and Harold Johnson losses to really be a wins
5. If you have Bivins and Marshall in your top60 lists
6. Having a strong emphasis on prime dominance - then only Robinson, Jones, Pep, Mayweather come close, the other candidates all have more prime losses. Armstrong, Greb, Langford just were never quite as dominant.
7. You don't care about none prime losses

Even without those points you can still make a good case for him being number 1. Certain unquestionable points are - he was more dominant in his prime than Langford and Greb, who both have more prime losses. He fought at the top level much longer than Henry Armstrong. His competition is better than Robinson's and Pep's. His top10 win list is arguably the best of all time in Moorex3, Walcottx2, Louis, Bivinsx4, Burleyx2, Maximx5, Laynex2, Elmer Ray, Marshallx2, Yarosz. Then bare in mind he may have deserved further wins over Harold Johnson, Ray/Walcott. He also didn't miss any names, Armstrong, Robinson, Greb all did (without pointing fingers as to why fights didn't happen)