Dempsey, Liston, Holyfield, Frazier.

I would think it would be a fight where both hit the deck. I didn't mean Liston and Firpo had similar styles.

 

Its not like i would make Jack a huge favorite, more like a pick em fight 6-5. Jack would have to attack at diff angles, something he did very well. Dempsey might visit the canvas but yeah i think he's got the power and fast start to stop Liston. I did not mean Sonny fought anything like Firpo.

 

not at all, I am going to have to stop going on here after drinking. If I am on here after midnight UK time during the week end...I apologise if you think that. sorry folks.

Liston is my#13 ATG heavyweight, he is a great fighter but I rate him below dempsey and holyfeild and frazier because they beat more great fighters. wills is also a great fighter, I just prefere Dempsey.

 

L, a few points to make:
1,I think that Sonny Liston [pre Ali fiasco] was a much better fighter than Firpo.
2-If the Jack Dempsey of the Firpo and before era,fought a Sonny Liston, Jack Kearns and Teddy Hayes, would have devised a different strategy against Liston as opposed to the free swinging Firpo, bobbing and weaving and using fast side to side movements,waiting for the opportune time to
get in close enough for Dempsey's great quickness and handspeedWouldn't you agree that Dempsey would have a different plan ?.I would.
3- Dempsey's forte in his prime was his cat-like speed,perennial bob and weave,chin tucked in his shoulder style,alongst a great left-hook and SURPRISING strength for a 190 pound fighter. When in close quarters the
prime Dempsey was never equaled mano to mano,when in the trenches.
I believe that he would be too quick for Sonny Liston ,both at their primes.
IMO...
P.S. The two great threats to a prime Jack Dempsey, I envision, was the prime hitting machine Joe Louis, and a YOUNG Mike Tyson, because of his speed and knockout uppercuts in the early rounds. Style makes fights and these two would be a threat for Dempsey,more so than the biger slower
Foreman and Liston...

 

1959 Sonny Liston knocks out Dempsey, and obliterates Firpo in 1 round. Dempsey would get taken apart by Listons jab at long range and mandhandled on the inside by Liston's strength, and brutal hooks/uppercuts. Liston actually had a lot of talent and skills compared to the big gooftroopers Dempsey fought.

 

Only in your mind S, only in your mind. No one manhandles Dempsey on the inside. If he is to be beaten it's from afar. Why do you always underestimate the strength of the 190 pound Jack Dempsey ? Do you realize that the greatest weightlifters in history is not necessarily the heaviest.? Were Dempsey to have been beefed up to 215 or abouts,his large upper frame could have accomodated the weight, but wouldn't have made him a BETTER fighter.Look at the old films,and you will see that the heavyweights of those day's were lean because they were trained for that weight. In the course of human evolution dating back hundreds of thousands of years, 80 or so years since Dempsey's era,very little has changed, except diet,and LESS vigorous training,and less fights today
than yesterday. Bigger,doesn't mean better,as proven by a Jack Dempsey
and my man Joe Louis...Remember the old adage S, "speed kills ". Cheers.

 

Mc ,when I say "strongest' in close, i don't mean pushing and tugging. Not at all. If that was the case a Primo Carnera at 260 pounds of SOLID muscle
would be supreme in close. No , not at all. I mean that Jack Dempsey in close was acknowledged by many to be the toughest and roughest heavyweight of them all. It was in his NATURE, not his weight. He manhandled bigger and heavier men always ,because of his lean strength
and kill or be killed attitude, not his weight...

 

I hope you're not comparing Patterson to Dempsey. I acknowledge Sonnys great power and like I said its a virtual tossup to me. Dempsey could hit fast and i believe had that great natural power that couild seriously hurt anyone. I'm talking Dempsey 1918-20.