Did Ali of 1974 have Foremans number?

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  1. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People go on about the rope a dope and other factors and conspiracy theories and that a wiser foreman would of won a rematch in america but i doubt that.

    I still see Ali schooling him in a rematch. ali just stiill had the style and attributes to beat foreman

    Even though I believe foreman would of won a rematch in 1976/77, Ali still had a lot left in 1974 (hand speed and foot speed is well as smarts)
     
  2. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ABSO****INGLUTELY. Everyone should watch the fight again. Ali wasn't just rope-a-doping Foreman, he was beating him in every exchange, out-speeding him and schooling him in counterpunching. Ali was Foreman's worst nightmare.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    Pretty much.

    Revisionist history is a pet peeve of mine, and there's not many better examples than this myth of how Ali only won because he tired Foreman out, as if it was like Homer Simpson in that one episode. Ali was landing the cleaner blows throughout the fight, although he certainly took his share of body shots.
     
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    y****inges.
     
  5. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Yep. In particular, it was that fast straight right hand that would beat Foreman every time. I think that was Foreman's biggest problem against Young as well: given a confident fast counter-puncher who would always land first, Foreman just couldn't find a way to win.

    Any Ali (other than when he was way past his best) beats any version of Foreman. Styles make fights.
     
  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    D dumber Foreman was d best . Would have beaten Ali in normal weather & ring . Probably by stoppage .
     
  7. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That night...Foreman fought one of the dumbest fights I've ever seen...
     
  8. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali would have beaten Foreman,hands down,in an early rematch,no matter what tactics George attempted to use. A 1976/77 fight would have been harder for Muhammad but he'd still have stood a great chance of pulling it off,imo.
     
  9. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was the only way that George knew how to fight. It was the self same Foreman who'd beaten Norton and Frazier. It's just that George came across an Ali who was basicaly a force of nature on the night that they fought. Plus,Ali's genius at improvising.
     
  10. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    I am not sure sure you could say Ali had his number, he had a great game plan and practiced it in the ring to perfection.
     
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ah......the weather factor,yet again.

    Two words for you,and the second one is MAXIM ! :D
     
  12. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another 2 words and d 2nd is YOUNG !! ;)

    But d weather factor had d lesser effect on d outcome , d most decisive factor was d ropes .
    It doesn't matter if Ali didn't rope a dope all d time , it is enough that he did it and it is what saved him in that fight . He had a place 2 hide in and he exploited it . And it is even not as if it was a coincidence that d ropes were d way they were , not that a coincidence is something that allows people to deduce such things such as Ali had Foreman's # .
    Ali had no1's # . Not Doug Jones' , not Henry Cooper's , not Joe Frazier's , not Ken Norton's , not Jimmy Young's and not George Foreman's .
     
  13. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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    IMO Foreman just could never have beaten Ali, he was Foreman's bane, a tall, fast, strong, boxer. Who stood up to him, for one Ali didnt seem afraid of him, he could clinch George cause he was strong enough, and talk trash to him. Then after the clinch when Foreman finally broke it, BAM! Ali would beat him too the punch everytime.
     
  14. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "It was n't the African weather......it was the Ali LEATHER" :D

    Well,for someone who had NOBODY'S number,Muhammad did n't have that bad a career,all things considered :D
     
  15. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great summary,Guy :good