Darcy versus SRR

So now, at last you reveal your true colours

------ What's the matter, did you grow up with a migrant Aussie bully at your local school (you know, during the early 2000's) as a little'un............. This is the greatest country in the world digger, and we are fair-dinkum, and that's means honest as well as dinkum. And no Aussie would ever claim any such thing about the Mundine's,...... LOL.. shows how little you know about us,..... We have our folklore...... Bradman is god,,, (well he was certainly close)..... Darcy is our greatest fighter (FACT),.......... and the Mundines had glass jaws,,,,, I mean, knocked out cold by a single punch from Ottke, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey, nutter,..... I hope you come downunder where the real sources for Darcy are...... and I'd love to meet you, but if you come to the pub with me, keep your opinions to yourself about Darcy and Bradman,... I won't be responsible for the irate crowds actions, and anyway, I doubt if I could stop the dozens of annoyed customers anyway.

 

What proof POOF ???????????????????????? ----- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You have tested my patience too far,....... you are a cretin, and you are reported for racism.

 

Wanna punch up !!!! fancy dan poofter boy..... You lousy TROLL, say it to my ******** face.

 

Calm down Toady

 

Dinkum.

 

Hot diggety, we have a bar brawl, but minus the liquor....

 

:rofl

 

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bingo. Fred fulton fighting Les darcy report. in 1917

 

I posted enough primary sources to prove that Darcy told the newspapermen that O'Sullivan was his manager. Beside the ones I mentioned, NY Herald and NY Evening World said the same thing - upon Darcy's arrival to USA he picked O'Sullivan to be his manager. And being a manager means negotiating/getting bouts for your fighter. As soon as O'Sullivan started doing his job, Darcy fired him (never prior to that did he deny in the newspapers that O'Sullivan was his manager, or refered to sim as simply his agent). By these actions Darcy proved that he was unwilling to meet the best fighters that were out there, at least yet. Whatever feelings were between them after O'Sullivan was fired, is irrelevant.

 

That article proves nothing. It was written by Darcy's confidante (who originated that story) more than six months after Darcy's death. Show me a report from an actual newsman that is contemporary to the actual event (such as a next day report). Its not there. As Ive said, I have no problem believing they worked out together or sparred for promotional purposes (as they were both briefly promoted by the same man, if you can refer to what Darcy was doing as being "promotional") but to stretch that to Darcy knocking Fulton out is a big leap. This is the same guy who on several occasions went the distance with big welterweights. But according to the Australians he was carrying those guys...

And yes, Sullivan was indeed his manager, UNTIL Sullivan started matching Darcy with good fighters for massive paydays. Then Darcy balked and back tracked. In fact when Darcy arrived one of the headlines stated something to the effect of "American Managers Out Of Luck, Darcy Brings Australian Manager" The article went on to quote Darcy introducing Sully as his manager. The earliest photos of Darcy arriving in the states show Rickard, Darcy, and Sully sitting together with Sully always listed as his manager. It wasnt until Sullivan matched Darcy with Gibbons in Milwaukee for $50,000 (the highest sum paid for a MW at that time) that Darcy balked, refused to honor the contract, and denied he was managed by Sullivan. Prior to that point it was all Sullivan.

Australians can paint Darcy as some boyish, immature hero, who was trying to do right by his poor old mum, but the fact is that he ducked the service to make a cash grab. This is illustrated by his actions here while on tour. He was constantly asked who he would fight and when names of top fighters were thrown out he would refuse. While in Philadelphia he was offered a fight with a local clubfighter for $4,000 (which at the time was a good sum for a short ND fight against a setup) Darcy said, "Add $6,000 to my purse and you have a deal." Later that day he decided he wanted to buy a car (not exactly saving his pennies for mommy) he took one for a test drive and when the dealer asked if he could photo Darcy in the car Darcy said "Sure... for $200." Is it any wonder this guy didnt get a single fight here? He obviously had ridiculously inflated ideas about his own self worth which proved to be false. Like I said, he was a big fish in a little pond in OZ, but upon arriving in the United States he quickly found out that the boxing world of the USA was not a one trick pony like it was in Australia.

 

I have never questioned your knowledge Klompton,

I have never even thought to argue your sources...

and patriotism I have discovered is worse in Britain/England than I thought was humanly possible...

BUT everybody knows of course there are NO fighters outside of the USA.

you epitomise what many people refer to as the boasting yanky... Cmon it's a big wide world with LOTS of talented people, do you think these other researchers, fans and scribes are going to listen to that???

I'm surprised a man as clever as you can even subscribe to that thinking!

 

Really? I got owned? Tell me, what exactly was a California based fight manager doing in upstate New York at a private sparring session between Les Darcy and Fred Fulton when he spent this same time period in the midwest and Pacific coast, between 1000 and 3000 miles away from this supposed event? I'll tell you exactly how he had knowledge of it: He was on the west coast when Mick King sold that story in California which is where he read it. If that constitutes being owned thats pretty pathetic. You need to do your homework on American boxing before you come posting garbage like that.

 

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Still think Sully wasnt Darcy's manager?


Below is a pic of the type of fighters Darcy was trying to face:

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And no Thistle, I have never even come close to saying that only the United States can produce good fighters. I think Ive spelled out my thesis fairly clear in regards to Darcy. He may well have been a great fighter but several questions remain unanswered due to the extremely favorable conditions he was fighting under in Australia, the fact that he was basically a one man show and an icon in his homeland which has skewed the historical perspective, the circumstances of death which have also served to soften some of the rough edges of his story, etc. Darcy may well have come here and continued fighting in a successful manner, however, its just as possible that he would come here, be forced to fight tough fighters, in a foreign land, before hostile crowds and would have crashed and burned. He wouldnt be the first highly touted fighter to do so. The difference is we actually saw it happen with those other guys and with Darcy we are left to wonder because of his death. Just think if Tyson had died at 21 without ever losing to Buster Douglas? Youd have a very similar situation.