Darcy versus SRR

Breath of fresh air

 

This thread epitomizes that

 

krumdon often lies. not shocking to those who have read his dribble..

here is the truth for all others to read...do you believe a man that travelled the world looking for the truth, who is pictured and interviewed jack dempsey? or do you believe krumdon is trying to change the truth ?

http://www.darcy-niland.com.au/LesDarcy.html

 

There was lot of praising of him for quite a while. Only when the American journalists got tired of waiting of him getting matched with anyone, did they start to belittle him. And that was several months after his arrival.

I was picking fights to post reports on at random.

 

------------------------------------------- No worries then mate, it's really a wonderful resource and great reading. I suppose it's also a work in progress, a massive job, and you can be sure I will be a regular visitor to Senya.

 

This quote here

is correct on the surface but McIntosh baker ltd, had bogus statements hitting the US even before Darcy arrived there. By a month or two later the Aussie Government put diplomatic pressure on the US to ban Darcy, and much money for bribes made the rounds, and don't expect anyone to admit to it, that would smear their own names. After two months Les Darcy was the biggest victim in boxing history...... Darcy is sooooooo underated these days........ and it all goes back to the corrupt reporting of 1917. The only boxer in history to be treated in this way,..... ever,..... and I blame the "Klomptons of history for all of it. Klompton hates all Australia..... Why ??

 

Klompton's Top One MILLION ;---- #1 ????.... (Greb ?),...................------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #98,004,....... Les Darcy............................ he just edged out Butterbean.

 

KLOMPTON should apologise to SRR for hijacking the thread into a Darcy Hate campaign. It was supposed to be half about Ray you know.

 

Thats an awfully bold statement and one I find interesting. Who was bribed exactly and who was paying the bribes? You seem to say it was Stadiums LTD. So, theyll bribe newspapermen and politicians to smear Darcy when he leaves them but they wont bribe officials or fix fights to protect him when hes theirs? Interesting way of looking at things.

Personally Id love to see all of these derogatory articles about Darcy before he arrived here that were unloaded by Stadiums. He was in fact greeted with open arms upon arriving and afforded more favorable ink from people who had never seen him than probably any other fighter to arrive here that I can think of including Georges Carpentier. What were the stories that reached us that were untrue? That he fled his country on the eve of his conscription to come to America and cash in? What part of that isnt true? You think the American public needed Snowy Baker to tell them that after dealing with Darcy for a couple of months? Hell no, they figured that out REAL quick, and as stated above it was the dealings with Darcy personally that grated on people and caused him to RAPIDLY lose popularity here, that happened before the slacker pressure even started.

Thats whats wrong with the pro Darcy arguments. They can never admit that the guy was flawed and made mistakes. Fleeing his country illegally and coming to the USA for a money grab (and thats exactly what it was) somehow gets twisted into an honorable adventure. Had he lived do you think he would be remembered the same way? Not likely. The whole slacker issue certainly wouldnt have dissappeared as it did after he died. Yeah he joined the Aviation Corps, big deal, it was the newest branch of the armed forces. At this point in the Corps history it was entirely a United States based training outfit with absolutely ZERO foreign presence, or combat directive. In short Darcy would be as far away from any action as if he had stayed out of the service. His joining the least active military section in the United States was merely window dressing in order to be able to work in the USA. All of this is entirely lost on Darcy fanboys though. Theyd rather believe he left Australia honorably, hounded by a hostile government, chased by shadowing boxing interests (who werent so shadowy when he was working for them), and hounded until he died of a broken heart far from home. In truth you can lay about 95% or more of Darcy's problems squarely at his feet.

 

Darcy would have pimp slapped all them soft hoes in the US of A.

 

Personally I don't hold Darcy going to America against him at all.

Without going into the why's and wherefores of the First World War (waay too complex a topic for myself) it was purely a European conflict that shouldn't have involved what was then essentially a sleepy backwater like Australia that was situated nowhere near Europe.

This misguided sense of loyalty to Britain was to cost us the flower of a generation of young men, the scars of which took a generation to recover from and that we were slow to learn from.

We saw in World War 2 how highly Britain valued us in the Second World War when they left us posted after the fall of Singapore when Churchill refused to let our troops leave Nth Africa to defend our shores against the marauding Japanese prefering to leave Australia to its peril. Thank heavens Curtain had the balls to bring them home and tell Churchill to stick it.

Darcy probably was acting in self interest and in hindsight it was maybe not the noble thing to do but it was the smart thing to do imo.

 

You profess to know Australia and it's history, it's clear you just don't know the real Australians,... especially understanding that WW1 generation, they were the true Australians, they leave our last two generations for dead. Most Aussies were very upright sorts, for every Norman Bruin and Squizzy Taylor there are 50000 decent law abiding citizens, when Darcy left Australia we had lost tens of thousand men in the war, and mostly through British incompetance...... and you are suggesting we throw away our greatest boxer to the slaughterhouse,.... We lost 50 plus of our greatest Rugby League Players,.. at least as many cricketers,... Aussie Rules players... and that many again big name sportsmen. Darcy DID NEED a lot of money, his large family lived in poverty, born in a shack Blind Boy Fuller would have felt at home in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baker Managed Darcy ???..... not true, he had supporters from the business world, as most did. For any main event at Sydney Stadium, the management took 50 %,.... and the two fighters would split 50 -50. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I admit he made some misjudgements in the USA,... how would you have done it when you were 20 years old ???....... I asked you nicely once not to call Les a slacker, but you have asserted that he is and how dare you, have you volunteered for IRAQ or Afghanistan,,, ???? have you ?....... I served in the army, and let me tell you this much, ANYBODY WHO VOLUNTEERS FOR WAR HAS ROCKS IN THEIR HEAD,... CRAZY if you have any idea of what your in for. Les Darcy told a friend that he believed in his soul that he would die very young.......... AND IF HE DID GO TO FRANCE, HE WOULD HAVE DIED OF SEPTICEAMIA before going into battle (notice I'm not a gullible fool that blames Yanks for poisoning him, they made a poem about it later).......... I Don't believe there was a single fix in any Darcy victory..... all you have is hearsay, all of it would be thrown out in a court of law...... If you were a copper, Soooooooooo many CONVICTS would be free vefore they could be convicted,...... and study the Old Bailey Azzises before you throw mud at convicts, you seem to have little understanding of that era, the fact is that the worst criminals were all hung, only quite minor offences were transported..... we built a great nation.

 

What does any of this inane rambling have to do with anything previously posted?

 

I wanted to come back to this comment because in my opinion its quite inflammatory and simply doesnt jive with the facts. When Darcy arrived in New York the governor was Charles Whitman. Whitman was an anti-boxing hardliner. One of his major goals was the repeal of the Frawley law which legalized boxing in New York. This was an ongoing issue for Whitman before Darcy arrived and after he left the state and died. Australia didnt need to bribe Whitman, Stadiums LTD didnt need to bribe him, the fact is that nobody needed to point Whitman in the direction of boxing and say "attack." Darcy simply proved the perfect political football as the sports most visible, publicized practitioner in the state. In early January 1917 Fred Wenck, the man appointed by Whitman as the chairman of the NYSAC was accused by promoters of demanding bribes for leases on Madison Square Garden. Whitman blew a gasket, organized a hearing, and kicked Wenck out of office. On the same day the hearing was going on (January 30) Young McDonald was killed in a bout in the state Capital. These two issues, combined with the Darcy situation prompted gave Whitman the political steam he needed to begin dismantling the Frawley law, essentially rendering prize fighting illegal in New York for three years, until the Walker Law was enacted. Typically most other states followed the lead of New York in regards to boxing and so when Darcy was banned from fighting in New York other states followed. Now, you can argue that it was unfair that Darcy was used in this manner due to his visibility (although he was guilty of the crime he was accused of), but to say he was the victim of some international conspiracy that included bribes and diplomatic pressure is basically the stuff of spy novels.

 

Looks like Fultons son was alive in 2004.
Keep your fingers crossed boys im working on it.