Wlad is not a top 20 HW, he has never beaten anyone of significance

cross_trainer · Oct 12, 2011

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

Once again, for all of the armchair "Egyptologists" in this forum;

http://wysinger.homestead.com/sub-saharan.html
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Your post implies that you are not an armchair Egyptologist, in contrast to the members of this forum. So...are you an actual Egyptologist, with a graduate degree in Egyptology?

Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

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what did i write? i said 'i dont agree with everything he says' because he is known to have afrocentric bias yet even he has conceded to the fact that the Y chromosone of modern egyptians show population continuity now i would like to ask you some questions:
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Please provide us with the quote from Keita re the Y chromosome of modern Egyptians.

you clearly see what you want to see and disregard the other 95% of things.
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95% of what exactly have I "disregarded"?

egyptians clearly depicted black/nubian people,they did not depict themselves as the same!
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You are correct. These Egyptians look *nothing* like Black people

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lets take ramases (a pharoah when egypt was at the height of its powers,he also being the greatest pharoah ever) is he black?? red is not black! that laughable cartoon you gave us of ramases,where did you get it? source please..

IS RAMASES BLACK? NO BULL**** LINKS YOU TELL ME YOUR ANSWER!
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http://www.geocities.ws/nilevalleypeoples/xraymummies1.htm

The XVIV Dynasty is higher in ANB and SN-M Plane than the XX Dynasty. Ramesses IV is the only one in these two dynasties with strong alveolar prognathism, at least, as indicated by SNA. However, dental alveolar prognathism is quite common in both dynasties. Also, both have ANB and SN- M Plane at mean angles higher than even African Americans.

In terms of head shape, the XVIV and XX dynasties look more like the early Nubian skulls from the mesolithic with low vaults and sloping, curved foreheads. The XVII and XVIII dynasty skulls are shaped more like modern Nubians with globular skulls and high vaults. Merenptah, Siptah and Ramesses V all have pronounced glabellae. Ramesses IV has a bulging occiput similar to the "Elder Lady." Ramesses II and his son, Merenptah, both have rather weakly inclined mandibles with long ramus. Ramesses II's father, Seti I, does not possess this feature, though, suggesting that this was inherited from Ramesses II's mother, Queen Mut-Tuy. The gonial angle of Seti I is 116.3 compared to 107.9 and 109 for Ramesses II and Merenptah respectively.

- James Harris and Edward Wente. X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980).
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In ancient Egypt, black (kem) was a symbol of death and of the night.
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Source please.

Osiris, the king of the afterlife was called "the black one." One of the few real-life people to be deified
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This is incorrect. Osiris' title is "Ausaru Kem Wer" which means "Osiris the Great Black".

She was usually portrayed with black skin, although she was not a negro.
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Didn't you just tell me that Egyptians didn't portray themselves as "negroes"?

As black symbolized death it was also a natural symbol of the underworld
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Source please.

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/colourblack.html
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This is *not* a credible source. Please try again.

Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

Gained said: ↑

"By urging black Americans to seek empowerment in a misconstructed Egyptian history, Afrocentrists not only mislead, opening their students to ridicule, but they also assert that culture is "transhistoric" -- that is, it can be transferred through time and space intact."
-proffessor Clarence E. Walker.
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Isn't it amazing how *none* of these Egyptians look anything like a Black person.

:roll:

:hi:

Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

cross_trainer said: ↑

By all means, keep arguing against a point I didn't make.

Both groups came from outside of Egypt and conquered it. Neither group was Egyptian. In that respect, they were alike. That is what my post said. How on earth is this hard to understand?
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Once again;

In the tradition of southern Egyptian leaders, the later Nubian kings
(Dynasty XXV) who conquered Egypt saw themselves as restorers and
revivalists in some sense, and not apparently as foreigners; this would
have likely influenced their behavior toward ordinary Egyptians. Evidence
for this is found in the Victory Stela of Pi(ankhy), founder of Dynasty
XXV; the text does not suggest an attitude seeking settler colonization or
territory (see translations by Lichtheim 1980, Goedicke 199.

- SOY Keita,
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The_President · Oct 12, 2011

Koman600 said: ↑

Before you label this another klitschko-hate troll thread by KOman600, you should maybe read it first..

David Haye: Had been knocked out as a CW back in '04. Knocked Enzo Macarinelli in 2, but everyone knocks Macca out. Knocked out an old war-torn Mormeck. Got dropped by the ancient Barrett. Was given a gift against Valuev, yes the same Valuev who had gotten schooled by a very ancient Evander Holyfield in his prior fight.

Samuel Peter: Seriously? Got dropped 3 times the first time out and in the second fight Peter was easily done and it still took him 10 rounds to take him out.

Eddie Chambers: An small CW. Period.

Oh and who can forget his all-time classic with Sultan Ibragimov? And for good measure Mormeck is next.
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Beating on a slab of meat on the hook in a slaugther house or MORGUE does not equate to greatness.
The HW division has been dead as a doorknob for 20 years.
The Klits are just steroid zombies feasting on dead rancid Morgue meat.:yep

Jordan_Davies · Oct 12, 2011

Koman600 said: ↑

Before you label this another klitschko-hate troll thread by KOman600, you should maybe read it first..

David Haye: Despite the lack of size he still managed to hurt and wobble a 7'2 HW Champion, knock out all other challengers (Ruiz, Harrisson, Barrett) and is still the best challenger to the Klitschkos today

Samuel Peter: Peter was favourite to win that fight and Wlad showed a lot of heart to win it in the US. the only other person to stop peter at that time was Vitali Klitschko

Eddie Chambers: Only losses have come from the WBA #1 contender Povetkin and Wladimir,

Oh and who can forget his all-time classic with Sultan Ibragimov? (The WBO champ) And for good measure Mormeck (Povetkin just fought and Helenius apparently refused) is next.
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Fixed a few things for you :good

Seriously the Klitschkos arent as bad as people make out to be, you get two brothers who are heavyweight champions who dominate the division and arent ****s and are respectful.

Seriously you must have been one of these butt hurt Haye supporters

Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

Jordan_Davies said: ↑

Samuel Peter: Peter was favourite to win that fight and Wlad showed a lot of heart to win it in the US. the only other person to stop peter at that time was Vitali Klitschko

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You really need to stop. Peter was *not* the favorite going into the rematch and had looked like **** leading up to that fight.

The Mongoose · Oct 12, 2011

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You really need to stop. Peter was *not* the favorite going into the rematch and had looked like **** leading up to that fight.
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Peter was the betting favorite in the first fight. The "U.S." thing should be a clue as the rematch was in Germany.

Stick to posting pictures, its well established you have no clue about boxing.

Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

Gained said: ↑

"By urging black Americans to seek empowerment in a misconstructed Egyptian history, Afrocentrists not only mislead, opening their students to ridicule, but they also assert that culture is "transhistoric" -- that is, it can be transferred through time and space intact."
-proffessor Clarence E. Walker.

http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2009/12/black-history-professor-rejects.html
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An essentially meaningless quote. You haven't been able to refute one fact that I've presented so far. Let's review, shall we?

To the Greek and Latin writers contemporary with the ancient Egyptians the latter’s physical classification posed no problems: the Egyptians were negroes, thick-lipped, kinky-haired and thin-legged;

The Egyptians are better classified using evidence of their language and their material cultures, historical records, and their physical remains because so-called “racial” identification has been elusive, much for the reasons cited above. Skulls have been measured and compared and DNA tests attempted in various forms, but conclusions are few. Skulls are more similar to those found in the Northern Sudan and less similar to those found in West Africa, Palestine, and Turkey. It seems that there has been some genetic continuity from Predynastic time through the Middle Kingdom, after which there was a considerable infiltration into the Nile Valley from outside populations. That the Egyptians by and large were dark is certain, and many must have been what we today call “black.”

The Egyptian “Race” According to the Classical Authors of Antiquity

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Archaeological evidence suggests that the ancient Egyptian Nile Valley was peopled in large part by immigrants from the Sahara and more southern areas, who brought neolithic traits there (Hassan, 198. Some movement from the Levant is also postulated. Possibly the earliest indigenous African full neolithic tradition (called Saharo-Sudanese or Saharan) is found in the Western (Nubian) Desert of Egypt, near the Sudanese border (Wendorf and Schild, 1980; Hassan, 198 and is dated to the seventh millinneum BC. Common core cultural traits are noted in the Saharan neolithic and Nile Valley predynastic sites, with some Near Eastern influence in the north (Arkell and Ucko, 1965; Hassan, 198. Predynastic Egyptian culture is most parsimoniously explained by a fusion of Saharan and Nilotic peoples (Hassan, 1988>. The predynastic cultural sequence of southern Egypt is accepted as leading directly to the dynastic culture.

-SOY Keita,
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The XVIV Dynasty is higher in ANB and SN-M Plane than the XX Dynasty. Ramesses IV is the only one in these two dynasties with strong alveolar prognathism, at least, as indicated by SNA. However, dental alveolar prognathism is quite common in both dynasties. Also, both have ANB and SN- M Plane at mean angles higher than even African Americans.

In terms of head shape, the XVIV and XX dynasties look more like the early Nubian skulls from the mesolithic with low vaults and sloping, curved foreheads. The XVII and XVIII dynasty skulls are shaped more like modern Nubians with globular skulls and high vaults. Merenptah, Siptah and Ramesses V all have pronounced glabellae. Ramesses IV has a bulging occiput similar to the "Elder Lady." Ramesses II and his son, Merenptah, both have rather weakly inclined mandibles with long ramus. Ramesses II's father, Seti I, does not possess this feature, though, suggesting that this was inherited from Ramesses II's mother, Queen Mut-Tuy. The gonial angle of Seti I is 116.3 compared to 107.9 and 109 for Ramesses II and Merenptah respectively.

The XVIV and XX dynasty heads do not have steep foreheads, receding zygomatic arches or prominent chins. Generally, both glabella and occiput are rounded and projecting to varying degrees. The sagittal contour is usually flattened, at least to some degree, although this sometimes begins before the bregma rather than in post-bregmatic position. The whole mandible is rarely squarish, although the body sometimes has a wavy edge. The latter feature, though, is very common in both ancient and modern Nubians. According to Gill (1986), an undulating mandible is a characteristic of Negroids.

- X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980)

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The period when sub-Saharan Africa was most influential in Egypt was a time when neither Egypt, as we understand it culturally, nor the Sahara, as we understand it geographically, existed. Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant.

- Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, by Joseph O. Vogel

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Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

The Mongoose said: ↑

Peter was the betting favorite in the first fight. The "U.S." thing should be a clue as the rematch was in Germany.

Stick to posting pictures, its well established you have no clue about boxing.
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Butt hurt?

The Mongoose · Oct 12, 2011

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

Butt hurt?
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No, but people might get the impression you are if you don't own up to your mistake.

Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

The Mongoose said: ↑

How intelligent and mature.
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It wasn't but this is;

The period when sub-Saharan Africa was most influential in Egypt was a time when neither Egypt, as we understand it culturally, nor the Sahara, as we understand it geographically, existed. Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant.

- Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, by Joseph O. Vogel

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The Mongoose · Oct 12, 2011

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It wasn't but this is;
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Let me know when you can find a link that proves King Tut is black.

Now please own up to your mistake about Samuel Peter/Klistchko, people will think your butt hurt.

lufcrazy · Oct 12, 2011

There are hardly any men who have been the best heavyweight in the world consecutively for 6 years. None since holmes until wlad.

Nay_Sayer · Oct 12, 2011

The Mongoose said: ↑

Wow, same old links and you still can't prove King Tut was black.
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WTF are you talking about?

I've already done that and beyond.

Take your head out of your ass then maybe you wont be so butt hurt...

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