Vicente Saldivar and Carlos Ortiz: Who would you rank higher??

Saldivar by about 10 spots.

 

Both would be in my top 50, but I'd have Ortiz a bit higher. Oddly enough, probably by about 10 spots or so, contrary to the cobra's rankings (Ortiz would be just inside the top 35, whereas Saldivar would rate somewhere around the #45 spot). They both beat a very high level of opposition during their reigns, dominating the majority of the 60's. However, Ortiz dominated for a longer portion of that time and did so against a higher caliber of opponent (close but clear). Also, when it comes down to their skills, he was simply the more versatile operator. He could and did press the fight, bang on the inside, snipe at mid-range, box off the backfoot behind the jab, etc., one just as often as the other. Saldivar was much more of a methodical pressure fighter through and through.

In short, Ortiz just holds the edges in the categories that matter.

 

Carlos for me he is a top 10 lightweight ,Saldivar does not make my feathers list,and the lightweights are a deeper division ,imo.

 

Saldivar should make any Featherweight list. He reigned with an iron fist over one of the deepest/most talented (and most underrated) Featherweight classes of the last 50 years. There's be no Featherweight champion like him since.

 

Well my opinion differs from yours.
I think Pedroza,Sanchez,Arguello,Nelson, and possibly Gomez,[ who never won the crown ,]all beat him.

 

I wouldn't have Sanchez ahead of him. There are plenty of others who could make the claim for ranking exceptionally highly, though. Jim Driscoll, Abe Attell, Young Griffo, Johnny Dundee, George Dixon and Terry McGovern (depending on whether or not you choose to place them at Bantam), even Henry Armstrong among others. Saldivar would be well within the top 10, but I'm not sure about top 5 simply because of the depth of the division's history.

 

Gomez would get ground down at Featherweight. The rest you have a case for in a head to head, but none of them accomplished what he did against such a stellar level of opponent.