Hagler vs Jones

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48B6-bWUtvk[/ame] This is how fast a shot to **** Roy Jones is. Hagler would get dominated by a prime Roy Jones. Roy is probably faster than Leonard prime for prime and Roy is bigger and stronger than Leonard. Hagler would get tagged quick, hard and very often and Roy would be out of range. Roy had a pretty good chin before coming down from heavyweight as well.

 

He did look nice and quick against Jeff. But it was Jeff!

 

Roy still had handspeed, his reflexes were gone though.

 

Jones wins this one.

Haglers power was vastly over rated and being at 160 I think Jones would just be too fast and pound out a decision but with his stance and Haglers come forward style it could be very interesting, Definitely Jones hardest fight.

Just imagine a bigger version of Sugar Ray Leonard

 

See the Ray Leonard fight? Ok, similar too that expect it's not close. RJJ wide decision. Runs rings around Hagler.

 

I wouldnt say wide but not as close as the SRL fight. Haglers pressure would trouble jones, Leonard would get in, get out and then bob and weave to avoid Hagler coming back at him. Jones had this tendency of getting in then out and just loitering about, I dont know if he would be able to avoid Haglers punches as well as leonard but I do think his size would allow him to push Hagler back and get in a better offense than Leonard managed to and put Hagler on the backfoot.

 

Guys, Hagler 10 years before the Leonard fight was an 80% better allaround sharp skillster.

That was Marvin beyond the end of the road you saw.

 

I know.Why the **** should reality get in the way?

 

Very tough call, I cannot see Roy hurting MMH since MMH walked through Tommy's best punches. No one could of the ring like MMH and he is a better boxer and he can brawl better than RJJ. SRL did give him trouble but that was MMH last fight and RJJ is great but he aint no SRL . . . I think I will go with MMH. Very close, he would be the first person that would have been able to really test his chin.

 

:smoke If ROY had of stayed at middleweight he would have been the greatest of all time . Both in accomplishment and head to head . And I dont even beleive in ALL TIME BULL**** . I simply think ROY would have been that good .

 

Not that I'm in any way implying that Hagler didn't have a great chin, but I don't think Hearns with Hagler with his best shots. Hearns was most dangerous when he got distance and leverage on his right hand. The shot that stunned Hagler was a short right uppercut, and then a short right hand around the guard. Hearns later landed some looping rights at a longer distance, around the guard, but it wasn't like the shots he landed on Cuevas, Shuler, Duran, etc, as those punches were down the middle.

Anyway, this is a tough one. We all know about Roy's super-speed, and he was also a bigger MW than Hagler, who often weighed in a couple pounds below 160 (and under different weigh-in rules). But Jones was a tad green at 160. He eventually gained a shitload of experience at 175 fighting southpaws, but no so much at 160.

Roy would often look to land his lead right hand against the southpaw Hagler. Hagler would look to set up his shots with his killer right jab. I'm not sure how this tactical type of fighting at center ring goes, Roy was cerebral and set traps well. He was more effective countering, but could get those lead shots in also with his speed. But his unorthodox habits and relying on cat-like reflexes and breaking fundamental rules might hurt him against an accurate guy like Hagler, who had one of the best southpaw jabs of all-time.

If Jones is having success here, then I see Hagler turning on the pressure. If he's able to turn it into an inside fight, he has the more polished infighting skills.

As for picking a winner, ah **** it, I'll ride the fence.

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Prime Jones.

 

I'm sorry to break it to you, but a prime Marvin Hagler is no totally shot Jeff Lacy.

 

Early Hagler had very good legs in there. They were long gone by the Roldan fight. But anybody that had watched his career unfold saw that he was a guy that adapted pretty well when those reflexes started to deteriorate and was still able to defend that title.

Look at that level of competition after those legs were gone--and just how many other guys are facing Hearns/undefeated Mugabi/Leonard in 3 successive fights and going 3-0 anyway? Jones did not face that level of stiff competition his whole career, let alone a 3 fight series. Those fights cause a lot of wear and tear on old fighters and that's what happened to Hagler. It wasn't a case of giving him smelling salts after a 10 count. He was competitive with everyone he ever fought and consistently went into the other guy's backyard his whole career.

 

So many people overlook the cuteness and boxing of Hagler.

His changes of stances and changes of timing completely befuddled Minter and Sibson, and his jab against Hamsho was phenomenal - trebling it or throwing it as hard as a cross. He was so subtle and discreet at slipping as well to be more stunning with counters, esp in the Hamsho fight, and so subtle and discreet at moving left instead of right, esp in Monroe III where he only changed direction while slightly on the retreat out of respect for Willie's long hard cross. The most underrated thinker ever for me.

And, actually, his pre-world championship opposition may have been better than Jones's world championship opposition!