hopkins dislocates shoulder - confirmed

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  1. gattiwarrior

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  2. riggers

    riggers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's not a dislocation they are talking about it is a subluxation of then Acromio clavicular joint. Which is often undiagnosed it is so minor. When you look at an x ray of the shoulder it is subjective when you diagnose it. Nowadays an MRI scan is done to do so, something that has not been done on Hopkins. If you show an x ray of a shoulder to 10 doctors they would not all diagnose acj subluxation.
     
  3. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Still a disgraceful ruling which I hope to see corrected. Should have been a no contest imo.
     
  4. riggers

    riggers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The point is cobra without the MRI there is no way to confirm the injury even exists. If Dawson is not deemed to have fouled then why should he be punished ? Hopkins has retained his middleweight title after falling, that time as he did not require it a doctor found no injury.
     
  5. supremo

    supremo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've said it before on here- you could get a doctor to diagnose you with anything- particularly if you pay them.

    There is nobody in boxing I respect or support more than Hopkins but that looked like play acting to me last night. However, he has cried wolf so many times in the past that even if he was hurt nobody is going to believe him.
     
  6. riggers

    riggers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly. Solid claimed to have blown his knee after the Vitali fight. He posed in bed with an MRI scan on the cover of boxing news. The MRI was not of a knee ? It was a chest scan
     
  7. Claypole

    Claypole Boxing Addict banned

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    I had this injury and it most definitely did show up on an xray. Not that it needed an xray, the end of my collar bone was sticking up at least an inch more than normal. It still sticks up a bit now, and that's about 9 years on.
     
  8. riggers

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    Then clay pole that is an ACJ dislocation, not an ACJ subluxation. What you are saying is on a par with , 'you don't need an x ray to show a broken leg, I had one and the bone was sticking out the skin' . The doctor who looked at Hopkins x ray said the joint space was widened. I know through 15 years experience as a radiologist that to confirm that you would need to do an MRI of both shoulders and compare the measurements. An x ray is not enough, there is magnification involved so you cannot take accurate measurements.
     
  9. roe

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    I'm pretty sure that'll be corrected as a no contest. I don't particularly like some of Hopkins' tactics at times but he clearly wasn't faking it.
     
  10. riggers

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    Roe no one knows for sure . Injuries do happen if the ref says Dawson was not at fault , the result should stand. A rematch should be ordered
     
  11. CamR21

    CamR21 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fight should be ruled a No contest, but i know that it won't be
     
  12. roe

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    Of course we don't know for sure but in my opinion it looks pretty clear that Hopkins was a) thrown to the floor and b) landed on his left arm in a way that looks likely to have caused injury.

    How can the referee say Dawson wasn't at fault? :huh

    Bernard came in with a right hand lead, lunged his body a little too much but nothing illegal then Chad Dawson ducked to avoid the shot where they ended up tangled, Dawson then lifts Hopkins off the floor (probably not intentionally) and throws him down.

    I understand the referee's position that he didn't call foul and therefore if Hopkins was unable to continue for whatever reason it's his own fault but that's clearly wrong because there was a foul. Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant, the correct call wasn't made and I think it's 90% likely to be turned into a no contest in the next few weeks.
     
  13. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can the ref's original ruling be overturned?:think
    Clearly should've been a nc.
     
  14. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    That's a shitty attitude - Dawson fouled, unintentionally, and Hopkins got injured. That is not how you should win a title. The fair result would be an NC.
     
  15. Pad-Man

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    Agree with this in the term that it should be a NC.

    Dawson wins in rematch tho.