where would joe louis figure in todays heavyweight division ?

But Haye clearly isn't going to just stand in front of Louis and go toe to toe. He's going to be using a lot movement the likes of which Louis has never seen before. Yes Louis wins but he isn't going to find it easy to land.

 

I honestly think he looks worse than Dimitrenko, a lot worse.

 

McGrain is killing this thread... dropping knowledge like bombs...

 

My pops took all his old 8 and 12 mms from his early days watching the fights in the theatres and had them made into Beta and VHS tapes in the mid 70s. Yeah, that's me.
Could you imagine if Corrie Sanders was hungry........man, he wouldv'e KO Carnera in the first minute of the first round, then taken him to the butcher and put him in the meat freezer. :deal

 

And NO, the tapes aint mostly in the closet, they're on display, inside a glass case. My pops had my grandma cut pics of the fighters on each tape outta old magazines, then he carefully pasted them to the blank boxes and laminated them. They're almost cherry.

If they weren't bootleg, I could prolly buy a new house with em, they're in that good off condition.

 

I think this idea that power increases with size is completely wrong. If that was the case, Valuev would have one punch knockout power and yet he clearly doesn't have. I only think there are two exceptional punchers over 240lbs, and they are Wlad and Lewis. Every other big heavyweight I can think of does not have the same sort of concussive power and instead, they rely on wearing smaller fighters down.

That probably happens because power is not a result of size, it's speed x strength. If a fighter is incredibly big and bulky, it's unlikely they will be fast because size typically hinders athleticism and speed, so even if strength comes with their size, that is only one part of the equation. People can regurgitate this idea that big fighters are more powerful but does history say that? No, history says the opposite. The biggest punchers in history are around the 215-230lbs mark and anyone who is above that and a powerful puncher is an exception.

There is also a limit to physical performance. The majority of 100m sprinters who set excellent times are muscular, yeah, but they aren't huge, bulky guys. Dwayne Chambers was a sprinter who became hindered by his mass and even though he was pumping himself with more steroids and getting bigger, his times stagnated. I think that once fighters, like sprinters, get beyond a certain weight, they are no longer effective. I think that 'certain weight' is around 235lbs and it's rare that anyone can go beyond that and become an excellent fighter. In my mind, only three have done that in the history of boxing and they are Lewis, Bowe and Wlad.

 

because haye is no louis. stop this nonsense.

who do you think popularized the saying "He can run, but he cant hide?" Thats louis to billy conn.

Louis has fought 2 technically modern fighters in his time and he KOed them both. based from clips, they were not behind your heroes in terms of speed and footwork. sure conn was a natural light heavy, but the fact that louis could land on conn, says a lot about this guys punching prowess and his capacity to catch slick guys. We are talking about here the greatest puncher that ever lived. Speed, power and accuracy, all in louis disposals. another interesting fact was that louis doesnt really need to jab as his punching room for his killer blows were as short as 7 inches. facts.

 

Number one, his skill factor would be far too great for any heavyweight today. And he was not small anyway and would easily carry another 10lbs.

 

Valuev and Vitali maybe are not that big of power punchers for their size but there are lots of fighters like that at every weight. Big people are stronger then smaller people and it does not magically stop once you get over 200 pounds.

 

Look at the size and weights of the top shot putters. That has a lot more in common with throwing a power punch then running down a track.

 

I recall Nat Fleischer quoted as saying that he had seen middleweights that would ko any heavyweight if they connected right, his point being that there ain't no muscles on your chin.

 

Yeah well that ain't happening except maybe in your vivid imagination.

The top middle weight in the world right now won't move up to 168 let alone heavyweight for some mysterious reason. :think

 

The point being that Joe would have little trouble in kayoing any heavyweight today when he connected, or maybe it's my vivid imagination.

 

All the top heavyweights ever were big guys for their era. Joe Louis was a big fighter himself during his time and it probably had something to do with his success.