Hopkins: Separation vs Dislocation

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  1. 3_days

    3_days New Member Full Member

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    Yeah,
    I tend to agree with this ...


    When I think about my experiences,
    there's no way I could have responsibly been allowed to continue boxing had any of them happened in the ring ...


    I could move it,
    but my fast twitch was gone ...!


    All due respect,
    but the reliance on shoulder mobility for boxing or even tennis is just worlds apart from football or lacrosse ...


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  2. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    It's highly doubtful Bhops would want to bail after barely the 2nd round. Plus Dawson wasn't exactly dominating either. The first round was very close could of gone to either fighter. If it was the other way around and Dawson getting hurt I really don't think Dawson would be pulling out either. It was way too early to do something like that. If Bhops was taking a beating, you can have a case for it, but freak accidents have occured in boxing and will continue to occur.
     
  3. LeadLeftHook

    LeadLeftHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you assess the extent of pain initially, 16 yr old vs 46 yr old? Besides the injury its also the mindset. A young hungry lion vs a veteran who's been at the top. At 16 you don't think beyond the next few hrs.
     
  4. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    GOOD POST:good:good
     
  5. KidPerat

    KidPerat King Bee Full Member

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    True but honestly the only real symptom from a grade 1 or 2 separation is pain. Your mobility is only limited by your own pain tolerance. Now, of course there is a chance of it getting worse but that's a round by round desiscion (just like a cut) and you have to actually fight in order to see how much you are actually affected. I really believe he should have tried to fight and if he found it impossible then I would have no issue.

    I know it doesn't mean much but, like I said, I would have cleared him to fight.
     
  6. KidPerat

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    You can't diagnosis pain, you have to go on the persons word. But are you suggesting that he quit because of pain as opposed to injury? All athletes play through pain, professional and amateur. I don't really see your point. It actually seems like your admitting he quit due to pain (physical and mental) as opposed to an actual debilitating injury...
     
  7. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i bet on dawson and there is no reason why hopkins should have been forced to continue the fight with such a severe disadvantage.

    fight should have been a n/c.

    dawson came to fight but b-hop already knew that was going to be the case.
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    In a way he did. But I'm not sure he intended to.

    When he tried to rough-house Dawson and got dumped on his ass (Yes , his ASS, not his shoulder) for his efforts, he tried to gain some mileage by faking the extent of the injury. The ref, familiar with Bernard's antics in other fights, decided not to play along.

    Bernard had committed to 'being injured' and could not, without looking even more foolish, change his story.

    So, what started out as a mind-game attempt to get a DQ or more likely, a points deduction, ended up costing him the fight.
     
  9. Rob887

    Rob887 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you quite possibly could be right.
     
  10. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Bernard definetely wasn't in as much pain as he wanted us to think
     
  11. KidPerat

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    That's what bothers me the most. He really souped it up. There's no reason to stay on the ground with a shoulder injury. I've never seen anyone in so much pain after a separation. Ever. Get up and let the doctor check you out (which he never did). The ring doctor didn't even look at the shoulder.
     
  12. Habecki

    Habecki Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anybody who thinks Hopkins suffered an injury of any kind to his shoulder is extremely naive. It was pure theater from Hopkins and poorly acted as well.

    At 46 I don't know how he can look at himself in the mirror.
     
  13. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He said that while lying down...not a very convincing posture for someone who claimed he would have fought on.
     
  14. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I've separated my shoulder and while it was fairly painful, I certainly didn't react like that - that was like the reaction of a little girl.
     
  15. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    yeah I can accept that he was injured, but get up and stop acting like a Ho.