Does Froch go above Calzaghe if he beats Ward?

Froch beats a shot Robin Reid and gets credit for it. Calzaghe beat a prime Reid and everyone says he lost the fight

Froch beats a 30 year old Arthur Abraham who has seen better days to win the WBC vacant belt and gets credit for it. Calzaghe beats a 31 year old Chris Eubank who has seen better days to win the vacant WBO belt and gets stick for it

Froch beats an undefeated Jean Pascal to win the WBC title and everyone gives him credit and says what a great fight it was. Calzaghe beats an undefeated Jeff Lacy in a boxing masterclass and everyone says Lacy was overhyped

Froch beats a 42 year old Glen Johnson and gets credit for it. Calzaghe stops Omar Sheika who had previously beaten a prime Glen Johnson in his last fight but gets stick for it as Sheika was never a big name

Froch loses to beats Mikkel Kessler and everyone gives him credit for fighting in Denmark. Calzaghe beats him and everyone says Kessler was one dimensional

Froch takes a close decision in Nottingham against an unproven Andre Dirrell and gets credit for it. Calzaghe goes to America and takes a close decision against the linear light heavyweight champion of the world and fellow P4P top 10 rated fighter and everyone says he lost or even if he did win Bernard Hopkins was old

Froch beats former Middleweight champion Jermain Taylor in the last 20 seconds and get credit for it. Calzaghe beats former Supermiddleweight champions Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell, Richie Woodhall and they all get classed as cherry picked bums

And if they fought in their prime then Calzaghe would have won by 9-10 rounds

 

calzaghe resume
great wins-none
very good wins- lacy, kessler, bhop
good wins- eubank, reid, woodhall, brewer, mitchell, bika, rjj

froch resume
great wins-none
very good wins- taylor, abraham (mainly because of froch's performance)
good wins-pascal, dirrell, johnson
losses-kessler

calzaghe still has the better resume- if you see very good wins as being worth 2 good fights etc and froch's loss to kessler as minus a v.good win, then calz's resume is worth 13 points and froch's is worth 5. even if he beat ward-which would be a great win- he would still need another great win (bute?) to draw level with calzaghe.

 

You are trolling. You know damn well Froch will lose to Ward, and this combined with the previous loss to Kessler means Froch will be remembered as good, but never great.

Ward might eclipse Calzaghes resume though, or at least end up on equal fotting.

 

Pure nonsense. The division Calzaghe dealt with was equal or tougher compared with today. Only fighter around that might be seen as great in the future is Ward, which equals Calzaghes presense in his own.

Dirrell had fought nobodies until he faced Froch, who he lost to. Did a number on AA who had been spanked every time he entered a ring with a top SMW contender in it. These days he cant find a TV-company, because he is too unrealiable. Clearly a bum, just like those Calzaghe dealt with.

 

In his book 'the cocaine chronicles, a life of hiding in wales' calzaghe admits that he didn't want to face jones in 90s or early 2000s as he would of got beat. He then goes on to say that fighting jones now means nothing. So the jones fight means nothing according to jc Himself. Froch will equal jc by beating Ward.

Anyway Froch has already eclipsed jc by having balls and fighting live relevant bodies.

 

I don't think so. It will take quite a bit more to match Joe and his undefeated record. I am not sure Froch would beat and old Hopkins.

 

like glen johnson in super6 semifinal who 5 months later is too old to mean anything in butes resume.

 

1. GJ was a replacement in the super six.
2. Butes recent competition has been poor.

If it was a stay busy fight then okay but Butes become the Romanian/Canadian calzaghe.

 

You obviously really dont know the division or much about it.

Pascal when Froch beat him wasnt a top 10 SMW, but still Pascal wasnt as good a win as - Lacy who was undefeated 4-0 in SMW world title fights

Taylor was 1-2 (1 loss by KO) in his last 3 fights and isnt as good a SMW win as - B Mitchell the 2 time WBA SMW champ

Dirrell has no big SMW victories, his biggest win is a DQ against a former MW when he was out cold, and isnt as good a SMW win as - M Veit who has a far greater resume

Kessler, beat Froch when unwell and coming off a loss - Calzaghe beat Kessler

Abraham was a former MW coming off a loss and not as good a SMW victory as - Mkertchyan who became SMW champ

G Johnson has a terrible SMW resume (dreadful) and hadnt been a SMW for years. He was also 0-5 in his last 5 world title fights and not as good a SMW victory as - Woodhall

Calzaghe has Eubank, undefeated Kessler, Hopkins, Reid etc to go with that.

I like Froch and am a fan but how is Froch far apart from where B Mitchell was when Calzaghe beat him?

Froch is a 2 time WBC champ who has only won vacant titles

B Mitchell is a 2 time WBA SMW champ
He beat WBA & #1 Liles (something Ward is praised for doing) by KO
drew with future 2 weight champ Girard
beat Siaca twice who went on to become WBA SMW champ who beat Mundine
beat former MW champ JC Green who beat a prime Joppy before Joppy was beaten by Trinidad or Hopkins.
Mitchell only lost by SD to Ottke that many thought he won and was only ever beaten clearly once as a SMW, by Calzaghe.

Calzaghe had 15 SMWs title fights against opponents who were or became top 10 SMWs, with Calzaghes LHW fights also, 17 fights he had in 24 world title fights were against fighters who were or became top 10 fighters 18 if you include Ferreyra who was previously. I dont include Ferreyra.

No disrespect to Froch but he hasnt beaten a SMW as accomplished as Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Eubank, Veit etc. I know he beat Reid but that was just a shell of the former

 

This post reeks of bias stupidity

Sorted in Red for you

 

Good post. So many twats get caught up in hype.
Ward has one good win over an unwell Kessler, other than that Green who had lost to Miranda and would lose by KO in his next fight, Bika beaten clearer by Bute and Calzaghe years previously, Abraham coming off of 2 clear S6 defeats. Its not great really.

Lacy beat Vanderpool, Sheika, Pemberton, Williams, Reid. Now Reid, Vanderpool and Pemberton were all top 10 SMWs.

Wards win over Kessler is better than anything Lacy achieved but Lacys win over Reid is better than the rest of Wards wins. If we also consider Lacy beat Tsypko who is also a better win than Wards other wins bar Kessler and Lacy also beat top 10 SMW Manfredo.

Lacy was hyped more than Ward

 

Calzaghe is a better boxer than Froch, I think by a clear margin. But...I respect Froch a hell of a lot more. This a guy who actually WANTS to test himself, wants to fight the best. His attitude is 'go anywhere, fight anyone' and he's not afraid to lose - THIS is the spirit of a true fighter. Calzaghe had the opposite attitude for most of his stage-managed but successful career.

 

atsch What has Ward done thats better than Eubank or undefeated Kessler? In fact Lacy and Mitchell are at a similar level in achievement to Ward at this time. Reid and Woodhall are also better wins than anything Froch has

 

So what has Froch done that Calzaghe hasnt then?

 

I think the Ward facing Froch is much better than the old ass Hopkins that Calzaghe faced.

Froch's win over AA is on par with Joe's over Lacy, IMO.

However, in thier common opponent, Kessler, Zags has a W and Froch has a loss.

Overall, I respect Froch a hell of a lot more than I do Calzaghe, but he would be one solid victory away from overtaking him. I think it would put them as near equals.