Just looked up jimmy wildes record and it is a joke this man is considered atg

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  1. madmanc3210

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    His record is a disgrace.his opposition is an out and out joke.how is this man considered above many pac ?? Pure boxing historian bull****
     
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  2. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    you're just dissing him because he's white :bart

    racist
     
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  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, as much as I agree that Wilde is generally overrated (sometimes massively so), there's quite a bit more to evaluating a fighter than skimming through their record on Boxrec. I definitely think of Pacquiao as the superior fighter, though.
     
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  4. madmanc3210

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    there is more to it that skimming through his record and i have read quite a bit on wilde but never gave his record a look over,but now i have ill never believe another thing i read on a boxer again.
    Plus actually looking thru just his record alone would tell you that he beat no one he was basically a bully
     
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    im white u tit and im not racist either
     
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    Would you drink water out of Angie's little *******?
     
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  7. bballchump11

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    naw man you racist :tong
     
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  8. El Bujia

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    Certainly.
     
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  9. trampie

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    Wilde was one of the best P4P boxers ever.
     
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    There is a case for Jimmy Wilde being the 'All Time Number 1 P4P Boxer'.

    Wilde actually defines P4P and here is why ? -
    Jimmy Wilde was always giving weight away, he only weighed about 90 lbs, the lightest weighclass in his day was 'Flyweight' - 112lbs, today there are weight classes at 'Strawweight' 105 lbs and 'Light Flyweight' 108 lbs.

    If they could have made weightclasses small enough for the 'Mighty Atom' he would have won World titles at 90 lbs {does not exsist}, 95 lbs {does not exsist}, 100 lbs {does not exsist}, 105 lbs {now a weight class}, 108 lbs {now a weight class}, 112 lbs {Was World Flyweight Champion} 115 lbs {now a weightclass} also Jimmy Wilde had a couple of wins over Joe Lynch who went on to become World Bantemweight Champion 118 lbs, he gave Lynch a 14 lb weight advantage.

    Jimmy Wilde often weighed in for fights in his street clothes, including shoes and his pockets allegedly 'full of rocks' { I have read that in America at the time you was required to be within 10 lbs of your opponents weight, I dont know if that was true, if it was it could explain Jimmy wearing his street clothes to weigh in}

    Jimmy Wilde, is definitely the best flyweight of all time -
    The Internatinal Boxing research organisation say so.
    Nat Fleischer says so
    Charlie 'Broadway' Rose says so
    {Infact I have never ever seen an ATG flyweight list, that does not show 'The Mighty Atom' as number 1}.

    Jimmy Wilde was unbeaten in his first 101 fights, this was one of the longest unbeaten runs ever.
    Jimmy Wilde is widely regarded as one of the most devistating punchers ever, {no matter what weight division} thats why he was called the 'Ghost with a Hammer in his Hand'.
    Infact Jimmy Wilde is often ranked as the 'Greatest Ever Puncher'. In 2003, Ring magazine listed him as their #3 all time best ever puncher.
    Jimmy Wildes KO record was an increditable 65.13 % {considering he was fighting in the main, bigger, larger men}
    Gene Tunney said that Jimmy Wilde was the ''Greatest Fighter I Ever Saw''
    The IBRO (International Boxing Research Organization) published a listing of the greatest boxers of all time in the IBRO Journal # 91 Sept, 27 2006.
    Nearly a third of voters had Jimmy Wilde in their top 10 All Time Great P4P. Two thirds of voters had him in their top 20.

    Wilde fought all the best boxers in his day, although Wilde was from Wales he became an International superstar {10 fights in the USA and 2 in Canada, one of the Canadian fights attracted a crowd of 11,000 people which was the largest ever attendance for a bout in that country} , Wilde retired after losing to Pete Herman in round 17, Wilde was giving Herman a
    10lb weight advantage, after 30 months {2 and half years} out of the ring Wilde was tempted out of the retirement to fight the new young sensation
    'Pancho Villa' in New York, Wilde was given a massive sum for 1923, of £13,000 pounds sterling, Wilde was 31 years old and Pancho Villa was 22 years old, it was one fight to many for Jimmy Wilde, Villa became the Phillipines first World boxing champion and a national hero overnight.

    Jimmy Wilde's record was 137 Wins {99 by KO}, 2 Draws and 5 defeats.
    He became President of the National Union of Boxers and wrote an autobiography, Fighting Was My Business.

    In any true p4p list, I can't see how Jimmy Wilde could possibly be left out of anybodies top 10 ? as he defines p4p greatness, in the true sense of p4p he could even be considered for the number 1 spot ?
     
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    1923-06-18 109½ Pancho Villa 110 62-4-3
    Polo Grounds, New York, New York, United States L KO 7 20
    World Flyweight Title
    Villa becomes the very first Filipino (Pinoy) Boxing World Champion, and thus a national hero.
    1921-01-13 110 Pete Herman 119½ 48-9-7
    Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom L TKO 17 20x3
    referee: Jack Smith
    1920-05-24 107 Patsy Wallace 112 2-2-0
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada W PTS 10 10
    1920-05-13 107 Battling Al Murray 110 22-6-1
    National A.C., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 2
    1920-05-01 Bobby Dyson 7-3-2
    Cuddy's Arena, Lawrence, Massachusetts, United States W KO 1 12
    time: 2:20 | referee: Harry Ertle
    Dyson down twice in the bout.
    1920-04-21 Battling Al Murray 22-5-1
    Sportsman's Club, Camden, New Jersey, United States W TKO 8 8
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1920-04-12 Young Zulu Kid 17-17-9
    Windsor, Ontario, Canada W NWS 10 10
    referee: Billy Rooks
    1920-03-12 106¼ Frankie Mason 106½ 60-5-11
    Coliseum, Toledo, Ohio, United States W NWS 12 12
    referee: Ed Smith
    Billed World Flyweight title
    Newspaper decision from the Toledo News-Bee
    1920-03-03 Patsy Wallace 111 2-2-0
    National A.C., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W NWS 6 6
    The Philadelphia Inquirer called this fight a draw, but the Record and the Public Ledger voted for Wilde.
    1920-02-19 106½ Mickey Russell 115 1-3-0
    4th Regiment Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 7 8
    1920-01-29 108½ Mike Ertle 115 6-0-1
    Auditorium, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States W KO 3 8
    1920-01-08 Babe Asher 113½ 1-1-0
    Future City A.C., Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W NWS 8 8

    1919-12-06 107¾ Jackie Sharkey 114 3-4-1
    Auditorium, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States L NWS 10 10
    Newspaper decision from the Milwaukee Journal. Sharkey was a decisive winner. Manning Vaughan-Sunday Sentinel December 7, 1919
    1919-07-17 108 Memphis Pal Moore 116 60-6-13
    Olympia, Kensington, London, United Kingdom W PTS 20 20x3
    1919-05-16 Alf Mansfield 46-47-22
    Holborn Stadium, Holborn, London, United Kingdom W KO 13 15x3
    1919-04-21 Jimmy Buck 2-1-0
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 3 15x3
    1919-03-31 104 Joe Lynch 118 16-3-0
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W PTS 15 15x3
    1918-12-12 102 Memphis Pal Moore 116 54-6-13
    Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom L PTS 3 3x3
    Final ISBA King's Trophy Bantamweight Competition
    Weights according to Moore, with Wilde fully dressed, were 117 Moore, 114 Wilde.
    1918-12-11 Joe Lynch 15-2-0
    Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom W PTS 3 3x3
    1st Series ISBA King's Trophy Bantamweight Competition
    1918-12-11 Digger Evans 0-2-1
    Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom W PTS 3 3x3
    1918-08-31 Joe Conn 125 2-4-0
    Stamford Bridge, Chelsea, London, United Kingdom W TKO 12 20x3
    1918-04-29 100½ Dick Heasman 102 2-0-0
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W RTD 2 20x3
    time: 0:58

    1918-03-28 Corporal Jacobs
    Theatre Royal, Aldershot, Hampshire, United Kingdom W KO 4 15x3
    1917-03-22 Frankie Russell 25-11-7
    Holborn Stadium, Holborn, London, United Kingdom W KO 3 15
    1917-03-11 Pvt. George Clark
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W TKO 4 20x3
    EBU (European) flyweight title
    BBBofC British flyweight title
    World Flyweight Title
    1916-12-18 Young Zulu Kid 110½ 15-8-4
    Holborn Stadium, Holborn, London, United Kingdom W TKO 11 20x3
    World Flyweight Title
    Wilde becomes known as the first Flyweight World Champion.
    1916-11-09 Tommy Noble 2-5-0
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 15 15x3
    1916-07-31 Johnny Hughes 36-28-7
    Kensal Rise Athletic Ground, Kensal Rise, London, United Kingdom W KO 10 20x3
    BBBofC British flyweight title
    EBU (European) flyweight title
    IBU (1913 - 1946) flyweight title
    1916-06-26 Tancy Lee 6-2-0
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W TKO 11 20x3
    BBBofC British flyweight title
    EBU (European) flyweight title
    IBU (1913 - 1946) flyweight title
    1916-05-29 Tommy Harrison 116 3-7-2
    Oxford Music Hall, London, United Kingdom W KO 8 15x3
    1916-05-13 Darkey Saunders 3-3-1
    Woolwich Dockyard Labour Club, Woolwich, London, United Kingdom W TKO 3 6x3
    1916-05-13 Joe Magnus 0-2-0
    Woolwich Dockyard Labour Club, Woolwich, London, United Kingdom W KO 2 6x3
    1916-04-29 Benny Thomas
    Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W PTS 20 20x3
    Fight a 20 rounder, and not eight per Lloyd's Weekly News (London).
    1916-04-24 Johnny Rosner 6-3-0
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W RTD 11 20x3
    IBU (1913 - 1946) flyweight title
    1916-03-27 Sid Smith 118 73-13-5
    Hoxton Baths, Hoxton, London, United Kingdom W KO 3 15x3
    1916-03-09 Sammy Kellar 116½ 13-8-8
    West London Stadium, London, United Kingdom W KO 8 15x3
    1916-02-14 Joe Symonds 58-9-5
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W TKO 12 20x3
    BBBofC British flyweight title
    IBU (1913 - 1946) flyweight title
    1916-01-27 Jimmy Morton
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 2 15x3
    1916-01-24 Tommy Noble
    New Cross Baths, New Cross, London, United Kingdom W KO 11 15x3
    1916-01-08 Billy Rowlands 0-1-1
    Swansea, Wales, United Kingdom W KO 7 15x3
    1915-12-20 Sid Smith 112 72-12-5
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W TKO 8 15x3
    Fought at 112lbs. Wilde, with all of his clothes on, was well under the 8-stone (112lb) limit while Sid Smith made weight on his second attempt, scaling 112 1/2 at first.
    1915-12-16 Danny Elliott 0-3-0
    Bradford, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W KO 2 15x3
    1915-12-09 Johnny Best 4-3-1
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W TKO 14 15x3
    1915-11-27 Tommy Hughes 2-4-0
    Barrow In Furness, Cumbria, United Kingdom W RTD 8 15x3
    1915-10-20 Peter Cullen
    Dublin, Ireland W KO 9 15
    1915-09-23 Walter Buchanan
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 5 15x3
    1915-08-14 George Clarke
    Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W KO 8 15x3
    1915-07-24 Driver Benthew
    Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W KO 5 15x3
    1915-05-25 Sid Shields 0-1-0
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 2 15x3
    1915-01-25 109 Tancy Lee 111½ 3-1-0
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom L TKO 17 20x3
    vacant BBBofC British flyweight title
    vacant EBU (European) flyweight title
    IBU (1913 - 1946) flyweight title
    Wilde weighed in fully-dressed, Lee 8-10lbs heavier.
    1914-12-03 Sid Smith 70-10-4
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 9 15x3
    Wilde defended his claim to British 112lbs title
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1914-11-16 97 Joe Symonds 111 42-7-4
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W PTS 15 15x3
    Billed British 112lbs flyweight title
    The Ring version
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1914-09-28 Alf Mansfield 39-35-19
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W KO 10 15x3
    1914-08-19 Young Baker 6-10-1
    Granby Halls, Leicester, East Midlands, United Kingdom W PTS 15 15x3
    1914-07-23 Artie Edwards 0-4-0
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W PTS 15 15x3
    1914-07-18 Charley Jordan
    Pavilion, Tonypandy, Wales, United Kingdom W KO 10 15x3
    1914-06-22 Charlie Banyard
    Market Hall, Aberdare, Wales, United Kingdom W KO 9 15x3
    1914-05-11 96 Georges Gloria 105 2-2-0
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W TKO 9 20x3
    1914-04-27 Alf Mansfield 38-34-19
    Leeds, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W PTS 20 20x3
    1914-04-16 Albert Bouzonnie 0-2-0
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 6 20x3
    1914-04-13 Jack Madden 0-1-1
    Ashton under Lyne AC, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, United Kingdom W KO 4 15x3
    1914-03-30 94 Eugene Husson 87½
    National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom W KO 6 20x3
    EBU (European) flyweight title
    billed World gnatweight title
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1914-03-26 Billy Kyne 11-12-0
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 4 15x3
    1914-02-16 George Jaggers
    Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W KO 5 15x3
    1914-02-12 P J Paddy Carroll
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 2 15x3
    1914-02-09 Tom Thomas 6-0-0
    Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W KO 7 15x3
    1914-02-02 94 Albert Kid Nutter 90 0-1-0
    Drill Hall, Birkenhead, Merseyside, United Kingdom W PTS 15 15x3
    Wilde defended his claim for World & British 94lbs titles
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1914-01-29 Billy Padden 1-2-1
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W TKO 3 15x3
    1914-01-08 Young Beynon 5-0-1
    Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W PTS 15 15x3
    1914-01-03 94 Albert Kid Nutter 88
    Pavilion, Tonypandy, Wales, United Kingdom W PTS 20 20x3
    Billed World & British 94lns titles
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1913-12-24 Kid Levine 2-2-0
    Pavilion, Tonypandy, Wales, United Kingdom W KO 8 20x3
    1913-12-16 96 Harry Brooks 106 10-9-3
    Free Trade Hall, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W RTD 9 20x3
    Billed English 108lbs title
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1913-12-13 Billy Charles
    Pavilion, Tonypandy, Wales, United Kingdom W KO 6 20x3
    1913-12-06 96 Young George Dando 107 3-6-1
    Drill Hall, Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, United Kingdom W DQ 10 20x3
    billed English & Welsh 108lbs 'paperweight' titles
    BBBC Boxing Yearbook 2003
    1913-11-22 Dido Gains 4-7-4
    Drill Hall, Swansea, Wales, United Kingdom W PTS 15 15x3

    POOR POOR OPPOSITION
     
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  12. El Bujia

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    Nice spamming.
     
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    There are no records for most of Wildes fights researchers think he could have fought 700 or 800 hundred pro fights, your list only go's back to 1913, they think he was fighting pro from about 1907.
    Pro boxing world titles were only just starting so its no good thinking what champions did he beat because Wilde became the first ever Flyweight champion, Flyweight was the smallest division in Wildes day so he had to fight at that weight, today Wilde would have fought two divisions below that, i have seen it said that Wilde knocked out men twice his own body weight.
     
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    theres another2 pages of bums if you want me to post them
     
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  15. Vano-Irons

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    I went over this is your other thread (which you AGAIN refused to discuss).

    Wilde was a phenominal fighter. His boxrec record doesnt do him justice. Wilde would later claim to have fought over 800 times, winning 600+ by knockout. He weighed in at 7 stone fully clothed, and was knocking out guys who weighed 2 stone more. He was pretty much impossible to hit in his prime, and could end a fight with either fist.

    Now, his opponents were not THAT great. BUT, the lower weight classes were hardly covered in Britain during this time. He once defended his british title against a man with a boxrec record of 3-2. He almost certainly would have had a better record than this as his opponent would never had been given a title shot with such a poor record.

    For me, he is one of the hardest punchers p4p ever. For me, the greatest flyweight of all time (even tho he was really a Straweight), and was second only behinfdFitzsimmons as the greatest British fighter of all time.

    Do not just look up a fighters Boxrec record and claim to know about him. It's beyond foolish
     
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