where would joe louis figure in todays heavyweight division ?

I like him to. I hope we can see him and Helenius get a crack at the Brothers before they call it a career.

 

Ustinov may be to much for Maxie

 

Eh..I don't know about that. He couldn't put Barrett away and was clearly running out of steam. Barrett is clearly his best opponent so far.

Baer had great stamina and KOs over all time great technicians like Schemling to his credit.

Ustinov is going to need to put more rounds in.

 

If Luis fights at Heavy in this era He would be another chubby part time boxer part time eater. Luis fought in a era that money was the problem, today boxers gets paid to much, so the risk taker Luis that We know could be another no hopper avoiding a great fight or becoming another victim of K brothers. Fighting at Cruiser or Light Heavy would be great for him in this era.

 

Things I learned from ESB:

* Joe Louis was a supermiddleweight.

* Louis got knocked out by Marciano and Schmeling, who were basically middleweights.

* A Klitschko punch would have a very good chance of literally killing Joe Louis.

* Chris Arreola would be too big and too good for Joe Louis.

* Every fighter in Louis's era was a bum. They displayed no skill whatsoever and no knowledge of defense.

* Carnera was a shorter, inferior version of Valuev. Baer's victory over him proves this.

* Tony Galento was an inferior version of Butterbean.

* Nobody in the history of boxing can give up 40 pounds to Wlad and win.

* Joe Louis was just a plodder with a good punch who would get hammered by every top 20 heavyweight today.

* Firpo was a journeyman.

* Pep's skills pale in comparison to Mayweather's. The two are not even close.

* One of the above points was wrong. Either Klitschko's punches would certainly kill Joe Louis. There is no question of this.

* Louis was worse than Tyson Fury.

* Ibragimov's style closely resembles Joe Louis's

* We cannot consider a hypothetical version of Louis with 20 pounds of extra fat, since this would give him too much of an advantage.

 

You mentioned if max baer was around today he would have everything size power etc, but 6'2 and 210lbs means he doesn't have size.
I didnt mean primo has absolutely no boxing skill whatsoever, just his technique was very primitive, and you cite a knockout of a 200lb guy as a demonstration of his ability.
There were not many boxers like Buddy Baer (max's brother) and primo, these 6'5+ boxers were rare then.

You can look at what footage there is of these 1930s heavyweights and see the level of skill is far inferior, they weren't training the same as they are now, Joe Louis was ahead of his time though, and you can see much more of the modern technique in his style. But it takes more than that in the HW division

 

-At 6'2 1/2 and 81 wing span(Wlad's wingspan btw), Bear is about the same size as Rahman. That is big and strong by even today's standars. Overall larger than any of Wladimir Klistchko's title opponents save Thompson, Austin, and the washed up Rahman. Yes, he has size.

-A skilled 200 lb boxer/puncher World Champion Hall of Famer who beat up most of the larger fighters of his era like Willis and Godfrey. I think Wlad and Vitali have better overall careers than Primo, but as a single win, I can't think of anyone they beat that's better than Sharkey.

-Primo and Buddy were the biggest kids on the block. But the average HW fighter of the 30s, was still pushing 6'2" over 200lbs and very broad and long. The 30s was often refered to as a Giant era until the 70s and 80s. Even today, beyond Wlad and Vitali, its not much bigger than the 30s contenders. Sultan, Povetkin, Chageav, Haye, Adamek, Arreola, Peter...these guys aren't that big.

-I see no such thing. And most of the training advancements have come in the way of nutrition. Fighters like Louis, Schemling, Sharkey, and even Braddock are as skillful as any heavyweight today and often strategically superior. Not surprising, these were far more seasoned fighters who boxed more frequently against more varied and competitive opposition.

 

LMAO

He was born almost 100 years ago, a different time with different nutrition, training ect. Today he would be an inch taller at least, and weigh 15-20lbs more. 6'3'' at 225lbs ripped..that is no cruiser weight son.

 

6'2 and 200lbs is not big by today's standards, Adamek and Haye are bigger and considered small heavyweights.
To say someone is a hall of famer is meaningless as they are inducted based on how good they are for their era, if you take away the 100 best boxers of the 30s, the 101st best will be a hall of famer.
You appear to be quite knowledgeable on the era, but your opinion of the fights doesn't appear to be based on actual footage of the fights

 

But we are talking about the louis that actually existed, as he was.

 

Joe Louis would destroy Wlad and Vitali in the modernized "Oversized Eurobum Tag Team Of The Month Club"

 

-Only small to someone like Wlad or Vitali. They really represent the average along with Povetkin, Chageav, Boystov, Chambers, and Arreola. Most of the top 10 save Helenius, the Brothers, and the terribly unskillful and dumb Dimitrenko.

-That doesn't even make any sense. You are going to have to come up with a better reasoning to critique the Hall of Fame I'm afraid.

-Well, I'm going to have call "bluff" on someone who argues Sharkey isn't as skilled as a modern fighter. They either haven't seen the footage or simply don't understand what they are viewing. Best modern analogy would be the really fit version of Eddie Chambers who beat up Dimitrenko and challenged Wlad but with a bit more effective punching power and balls if not an ill temper. Sharkey would have probably stopped Dimitrenko in my opinion. Sharkey really isn't far removed from Evander Holyfield.

 

Joe Louis would mop the floors with every single HW today, including having an easy night with both Klitschkos. Vitali is just a modern-day Primo Carnera. Wlad is just a slow version of Joe Louis.

You guys who think big = good are just crazy. You need to get out of that childish mentality whereby you think big things are great and little things suck. What about speed?

Also, have you noticed that all the most dominant heavyweights were cruiserweights? See Marciano, Ali, Louis.

 

Thanks for this gem, this can be ma new signature & it shows just what a fkn madman you truly are.